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It is well known that Kramnik baselessly accuses everyone. The article seems to be more about statistics than chess, and doesn’t make any accusations. Kind of a
by 5tk18 1y ago
It is well known that Kramnik baselessly accuses everyone. The article seems to be more about statistics than chess, and doesn’t make any accusations. Kind of a click bait title IMO.
- cortesoft 1y agoIt’s using a random accusation as a starting point for explaining Bayesian analysis.
- bleuarff 1y agoIt's to be expected per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headline...
- adw 1y agoWhich is itself intuitive if you have the prior that “making the claim is the stronger headline, so if the claim is true, it’ll be in the headline”
- mrala 1y agoThe title is “Did a US Chess Champion Cheat?” and the text of the article uses statistical analysis to show that the person most likely did not cheat. What would you consider to be misleading between the title and the article?
- bediger4000 1y agoThe headline also complies with Betteridge's Law of Headlines. It's entirely legal.
- RegnisGnaw 1y agoThis is a perfect example of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headline...
- joshuat 1y ago"Statistical analysis shows US Chess Champion most likely did not cheat, despite recent claims" would be nice
- thieving_magpie 1y agoWhen I opened the article I thought it was going to be about someone cheating at the US Chess Championship.
- paxys 1y agoHeadlines following Betteridge's law were the original clickbait, and this definitely fits.
- 512 1y agoHikaru is also notable for quickly accusing players baselessly
- rendall 1y agoWhom did he accuse? Kramnik is known to accuse other players. I've never heard this about Nakamura.
- frenchtoast8 1y agoHe's accused Luis Paulo Supi (Brazillian grandmaster) a few times after losing to him, and he accused Andrew Tang after losing to him. The latter was criticized in some online circles because it was seen as bullying a then 14 year old. I don't know many other notable cases of Nakamura accusing players of cheating. Many players dislike how Nakamura conducts himself on stream and how he interacts with the chess community and this leads to exaggeration. It's simply wrong to compare him to Kramnik, who has dedicated many hours over the last couple years to accusing players.
- wesnerm2 1y agoNakamura was sued for $100 million by Hans Niemann. https://www.chess.com/news/view/hans-niemann-lawsuit-dismissed https://www.chess.com/news/view/hans-niemann-lawsuit-dismiss...
- freeopinion 1y agoAnd what was the result? Weren't all counts dismissed?
- vrmiguel 1y agoHikaru accused Luis Paulo Supi of cheating at least twice. From his Wikipedia article: ``` In an online blitz tournament hosted by the Internet Chess Club in May 2015, American Grandmaster Hikaru Nakamura accused Supi of cheating (Supi had defeated Nakamura).[2] The tournament judges accepted Nakamura's accusation, reverted the match's result, and banned Supi from the tournament. Brazilian Grandmaster Rafael Leitão wrote in his personal website, "Accusing him of using an engine in this match is absurd. The match is full of tactical mistakes. Nakamura played extremely poorly and, honestly, wouldn't have survived long against any engine given his terrible opening.". ``` Some years later Nakamura lost 4-0 and again insinuated that GM Supi used an engine. Despite all that, Nakamura still published a video calling him a "legend" for once beating Magnus in 18 moves
- giancarlostoro 1y agoI'm just trying to figure out how you even cheat on chess, the only thing that comes to mind is moving pieces, and sneaking new ones on the board, but if there's enough cameras, how do you get away with it, eventually someone WILL notice, highlight it, point it out, and you will be shamed.
- ceejayoz 1y agoBluetooth buttplug (you can get such things on Amazon; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lovense https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lovense) and an observer in the audience tapping out Morse code? Or, more mundanely, bathroom breaks. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/16/sports/kirill-shevchenko-chess-expelled-phone.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/16/sports/kirill-shevchenko-... Your iPhone can reliably beat the best chess players in the world.
- AdamN 1y agoIn the old Soviet/US rivalry days there was an accusation of cheating that I thought was novel. The accusation was that the Soviet players in the middle rounds were doing subtle not-right moves with the US #1. This forced the lead US player to put way too much effort into figuring out if it was some new line that he didn't know about and tiring him out. Then by the time he got to the final he was exhausted and confused.
- ceejayoz 1y agoI'm not inclined to see that as cheating.
- thomasz 1y agoRight, it's collusion.
- ceejayoz 1y agoNo? It's a technique that could readily be done by one person, and teams are allowed to strategize. Bluffing/deception is kosher in chess, just harder as the key elements of the game are all public. Before computers put an end to the practice, long games used to adjourn overnight. https://www.chess.com/terms/chess-adjournment https://www.chess.com/terms/chess-adjournment > During adjournments, players could count on the help of other strong masters, called seconds. These seconds would analyze the position and tell the player what they should play when the game resumed.
- gosub100 1y agoThere's a YouTube video where he orders a match with someone and insists that they order brand new in box laptops and a locally hosted chess server (I think the hypothesis was testing if in person games were any different than online. The other player was in the same room). But they ran into technical difficulties when windows began auto-updates.
- benjaminsky2 1y agoVlad the Implier