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President says broadcasters should lose licenses for criticizing him
- luserz 1y ago[flagged]
- braunjohnson 1y ago[dead]
- fred_is_fred 1y agoWhat happened to the party of Free Speech absolutism? Edit: for those claiming this isn't a free speech issue the President is using the FCC to go after people he doesn't like. He must be a special snowflake.
- klaff 1y agoIt's the party of bad faith.
- endemic 1y agoevery accusation is an admission
- ordinaryradical 1y agoTheir speech was never in jeopardy, they just didn’t like its consequences. And now that they have the upper hand they will try to actively impose the same restrictions which they accused others of placing on them. Victimhood distorts reality and leads to outsized reprisals.
- AlexandrB 1y ago> Their speech was never in jeopardy, they just didn’t like its consequences. Can't you say the same about the Jimmy Kimmel situation? He's not in jail, he's free to speak, his employer just didn't want to back him up on it. All of the arguments used to excuse cancel culture ("right to speech not to a platform", "it's a company censoring you, not the government", "freedom of speech, not freedom from consequences") are now being leveraged by the right. Why did anyone think it would go any other way? Was the assumption that the left would own the cultural zeitgeist forever? This whole approach to politics was folly.
- ordinaryradical 1y agoI think you’re right on Kimmel while being wrong about TFA. The president does not get to dictate broadcasting licenses on the basis of whether or not they criticize him but ABC is not required to platform Kimmel. (I think it’s a bad move to deplatform people and bad for democracy but it’s been misconstrued into an issue of constitutional guarantees and it is not one.)
- ses1984 1y agoHave you not read the news that abc was pressured by the fcc wrt a pending merger? Isn’t that the federal govt “abridging the freedom of the press” ?
- AlexandrB 1y agoTo play devil's advocate, ABC doesn't have a right to execute a corporate merger and this is what was threatened by the FCC. I don't know what the courts would think of this kind of argument and unfortunately we will probably not find out. Regardless of that, it certainly seems like some kind of corruption.
- ses1984 1y agoAny limitation on their right to merger should be spelled out in a law passed by congress and not from pressure from an executive appointee.
- QuantumGood 1y ago"this is what was threatened by the FCC" For clarity, as parent points out, specific comment from FCC exists. The general sense of threat Disney felt is not the same as a specific FCC comment
- HankStallone 1y ago> Was the assumption that the left would own the cultural zeitgeist forever? Yes, that was clearly the assumption. It's hard to blame them; that had been the case for 50+ years, and the early 2020s suggested that they had the system licked and would be fully in charge until their internal contradictions brought them down.
- bilbo0s 1y agoIn fairness, conservatives never said they supported free speech. They said they wanted more promotion of conservative viewpoints. Kind of a subtle, but important distinction there. Neither liberals, nor conservatives support free speech.
- FranzFerdiNaN 1y agoThis isn’t true. They couldn’t stop talking about free speech and how their hate speech should be allowed and if you didn’t like it you’re just a snowflake.
- stfp 1y agoIt’s just a tool, a weapon im their arsenal. They are still pushing the free speech narrative in other places, eg. Europe, when people try to stop candidates and pundits from lying. But then obviously once they succeed lying their way into power that tool isn’t necessary anymore, and controlling speech becomes important.
- Freedom2 1y agoFrom VP Vance: "In Washington, there is a new sheriff in town; and under Donald Trump’s leadership, we may disagree with your views, but we will fight to defend your right to offer it in the public square, agree or disagree."
- FranzFerdiNaN 1y agoFree speech is for them not for you or me. Always has been.
- gridder 1y agoDouble standard is the standard for those kinds of toxic people and their sycophants
- _DeadFred_ 1y agoWhen I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because this is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom because this is according to my principles. - Frank Herbert
- soraminazuki 1y agoOr as Louis Rossmann calls it, the premise of a-holes.
- LarsDu88 1y agoHow many minutes before HN takes this one down? Seen at least 5 political posts get shut down today
- AlexandrB 1y agoHN has a general rule against posts about politics that occasionally gets ignored for particularly noteworthy events. > Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.
- belter 1y agoIf you are quoting the guidelines quote this one also: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity. I would say, to see the USA moving into Nazism, in realtime, in my lifetime, is a pretty amazing intellectual endeavor to dissect.
- AlexandrB 1y agoCan you explain why you think it's moving specifically to Nazism? There's certainly an argument to be made for authoritarianism or some other version of non-democratic rule, however throwing around Nazism weakens that argument instead of strengthening it given how overused that term/accusation is at this point.
- jleyank 1y agoThey've tried building concentration camps. They're muzzling the press, they're thinking of banning the opposition, they oppose "them", and are going to great lengths to harm them. They're muzzling scientists and doctors, leading to population exodus. I'm sure there's other things I'm missing. But this is a reasonable approximation to where things stood in, say, 1937. Granted, they've not gone after neighbouring countries (yet?) but they've had their vom Raths, Horst Wessel's, ... And we'll see if the Reichstag burns over the next year. If they screw up the mid-term elections or talk about an enabling act or let trump run a 3rd term, will that be good enough for ya? And they talk about racial purity and limit women's roles and future. I'm sure there's a lebensraum in there somewhere. If you think using the term "Nazi" Godwin's the discussion, ok, just use Fascist. You have more countries to compare to with that term: Italy, Spain, Portugal, ...
- josefritzishere 1y agoGermany 1933
- yencabulator 1y agohttps://archive.ph/wLuj2 https://archive.ph/wLuj2