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DOJ Deletes Study Showing Domestic Terrorists Are Most Often Right Wing

232 points by christhecaribou 1y ago

marcusverus 1y ago
https://archive.is/A5TGH https://archive.is/A5TGH
DeepYogurt 1y ago
Memory hole anything inconvenient
mtharrison 1y ago
Is there anyone monitoring US government websites for deletion of pages beyond what people may notice in an ad hoc way? I feel like this should be automated.
- gs17 1y ago
  There's an Archive Team project for the government, although it's just trying to get as much of a snapshot as possible: https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/US_Government https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/US_Government Detecting changes across all pages in real time is going to be difficult to accomplish.
  - toomuchtodo 1y ago
    You can use a combination of the website capture data available in the Internet Archive along with what the Internet Archive and ArchiveTeam crawl to analyze and track when page status changes (both content and http codes, 200->4xx for example). Look for the diffs across the .govs of interest. Crawling continues. (no affiliation, friendly reminder to donate to the archive)
add-sub-mul-div 1y ago
> Elon Musk, who owns X, recently tweeted that he was going to “fix” the platform’s AI assistant Grok after it cited research that showed right-wing violence was more common than left-wing violence: “My apologies, we are fixing this cringe idiocy by Grok,” he said. I understand why it's hard to make AI that's accurate, but Musk's elite engineers can't even make it push a preferred narrative consistently. Sounds like it should be a much easier problem to solve.
- altcognito 1y ago
  I think the last time they tried it ended up going mechahitler
- Insanity 1y ago
  Regardless of the bias inherent in Grok, it wasn't a good experience to me. I tried it for some time before going back to ChatGPT (this was before GPT-5 though, I'm also not super happy with GPT-5 UX)
  - jdiff 1y ago
    What issues did you have with Grok/are having with GPT5?
- deleted 1y ago
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- tim333 1y ago
  I find it quite amusing that Grok tends to contradict Musk's untruths.
- Mr_Eri_Atlov 1y ago
  The last time they tried to make it agree with Elon consistently, it proclaimed itself to be mechahitler so...
- myvoiceismypass 1y ago
  Curious - which facts did Musk refute specifically that Grok had pointed out? I don't have a twitter account so I can't really go see this thread.
Insanity 1y ago
I think this is not too surprising? Both the result and the action of hiding it? From my understanding, right-wing usually means more pro-gun. If you already have guns, the threshold for terrorist actions is likely lower.
- arthurofbabylon 1y ago
  Not surprising, and absolutely newsworthy.
  - Insanity 1y ago
    Oh yes, I didn’t mean to say it should be ignored. Just more expressing that sadly I’m not surprised by this action with the current government.
- hypeatei 1y ago
  > I think this is not too surprising? I don't think we should normalize cover ups like this especially when it comes to political violence studies. POTUS immediately blamed the "radical left" after the attack without evidence. Not only is that reckless, it's not even the most likely scenario. > If you already have guns, the threshold for terrorist actions is likely lower Guns are easily accessible to everyone in America.
  - jdiff 1y ago
    Guns are accessible, but prior gun ownership is skewed, and prior gun ownership is one less barrier to cross when attempting political violence. In theory, that should mean increased attempts for that high-gun-ownership demographic.
    - mingus88 1y ago
      Exactly, because owning a gun and being trained are very different things. I own guns but I am not capable of performing a Charlie Kirk style assassination. Nor could I actually carry out a school shooting with high rate of fire across many weapons. Both of these crimes require that the shooter have training and practice in this style of shooting. You need specialized equipment beyond what a casual gun owner will spend. Buying a 9mm and going to the range every couple of months isn’t cutting it. Gun culture creates the environment where folk are prepping for combat situations. Go watch any guntuber and you’ll see them train for military situations that your hunter, farmer, or even family defense gun owner is not concerned with. In fact, I learned that there’s a pejorative term “Fudds” for gun owners who aren’t militarized like this. As in, Elmer Fudd; an actual hunter that uses guns for game. Somehow this is not a respectable person for a gun nut. When gun ownership becomes a hobby and personality trait you see a lot more people optimizing their habits toward maximum lethality
clot27 1y ago
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dylan604 1y ago
Other than the Weather Underground, I'm having trouble thinking of left wing groups.
- proxyon 1y ago
  antifa
  - hypeatei 1y ago
    Maybe I'm biased, but I don't think antifa has been relevant for the past... five years? My mind puts them in the pre-COVID bucket.
    - jdiff 1y ago
      They've remained a continuous feature of right wing scare media.
      - dylan604 1y ago
        That doesn't make it true though. Just like 300 million Americans died from overdosing on drugs according to POTUS. They just say things knowing people in their base will not verify anything they say. If someone does, they clearly are opposition just making a stink.
        jdiff 1y ago
        No, it certainly doesn't. But lies are the only relevance "antifa" has, and if you ask the people caught up in it, they'll adamantly insist that antifa is an extensive organization with identifiable leaders and cohesive plans that are executed widely by a unified member body. None of that's true. But we should be aware of the lies being told, at least the ones told widely.
  - cstoner 1y ago
    Generally, when someone says something like "left wing groups" they mean something with a formal organization. "Antifa" is less of an organization than even some loose collective like "anonymous" Are there left-wing agitators? Sure, black bloc and other "direct action" protestors have been around since at least the world trade protests in the 90s. But to the best of my knowledge there isn't really a formal "antifa" organization to dismantle or anything.
proxyon 1y ago
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ck2 1y ago
While it's important to note they are trying to delete stuff like that it's way way more alarming they are deleting cancer research, for many decades to come https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/14/magazine/trump-administration-cancer.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/14/magazine/trump-administra... and the weird thing is no-one quite understands why, this is not even vaccine related
- o11c 1y ago
  Ignoring the obvious, you mean?
- jacquesm 1y ago
  The most likely explanation that I've seen so far is that the trans-humanists believe that they will solve the aging problem and that that will solve cancer as a byproduct, so we should pour lots of money into their pet subject. It's pretty obvious why they would want to solve aging first as long as they don't have cancer, after that it is going to be a toss-up.
mgh2 1y ago
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- zsli 1y ago
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  - pesus 1y ago
    The article is not wrong just because the above commenter didn't like it. Take a look yourself: https://archive.is/2024.10.24-222147/https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/what-nij-research-tells-us-about-domestic-terrorism https://archive.is/2024.10.24-222147/https://nij.ojp.gov/top...
  - jacquesm 1y ago
    Would have been nice if you were as skeptical of what the OP wrote. But here's the summary from TFA: "Militant, nationalistic, white supremacist violent extremism has increased in the United States. In fact, the number of far-right attacks continues to outpace all other types of terrorism and domestic violent extremism. Since 1990, far-right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far-left or radical Islamist extremists, including 227 events that took more than 520 lives.1 In this same period, far-left extremists committed 42 ideologically motivated attacks that took 78 lives.2 A recent threat assessment by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security concluded that domestic violent extremists are an acute threat and highlighted a probability that COVID-19 pandemic- related stressors, long-standing ideological grievances related to immigration, and narratives surrounding electoral fraud will continue to serve as a justification for violent actions." https://web.archive.org/web/20250911165140/https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/306123.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20250911165140/https://www.ojp.g... One standard response to someone quoting a source they do not link is always to go to the source. You may well be presented with cherry picked data.
  - ath3nd 1y ago
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- pesus 1y ago
BatteryMountain 1y ago
Non-american here: if you get to the point where you want to kill another person or groups of people, it doesn't really matter whether you are left/right/pink/blue/whatever. You are unwell. To blame an entire group for one person's mental break is silly. You have no idea what is in another person's head, what their beliefs are, which of those beliefs are conflicting with each other. You might as well say that because the person ate pizza on the day, that we should blame and ban italian pizza places. Silly. I live in a very broken country too, but our people are not shooting up random places/people. We have many guns too, so we cannot attribute it to that. I think the kind of person that is willing to kill others (in the american sense, shootings), typically are highly suicidal but since they are able to blame the society or some aspect of society, they come to the conclusion to not commit suicide but to rather attack the system as a final punishment / giving up moment or to assert that they have some form of control. They ofcoarse find no relief there either. Meanwhile your media and politician use these people as scape goats and cheerleaders for their own agendas. Disgusting in its own right.
- jdiff 1y ago
  Killing innocents is for the unwell, but assassinations have been a staple of politics for as long as humanity has had politics. It also doesn't follow that an entire group can't be held for a single person's actions. There are plenty of organizations that go out of their way to shape individuals' ways of thinking in order (or otherwise compel them) to harm groups of innocent others. Those groups can and absolutely should be held accountable.
jacquesm 1y ago
https://web.archive.org/web/20250911165140/https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/306123.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20250911165140/https://www.ojp.g... TFA
ath3nd 1y ago
On HN there was another post about DOJ going against the guy who made the anti-ICE app: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44496458 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44496458 and it's also flagged, which is a pity. This book might be relevant for those trying to understand why and how fascists attempt to control the narrative by suppression of the free press, erasure of documents, and nowadays hiding and flagging posts on social media and popular RSS feeds: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/207294076-erasing-history https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/207294076-erasing-histor...
stopthebullshit 1y ago
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Mr_Eri_Atlov 1y ago
The party insists that political violence, by definition, requires a suitable leftist minority identity to apply. Any violence by a member of the party is just sparkling patriotism.
JohnTHaller 1y ago
Since 1975, right-wing terrorists have killed 5.5x as many people as left-wing terrorists.
- bad_username 1y ago
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  - rstuart4133 1y ago
    Seriously? Attempted Trump assassination, July 13, 2024. The shooter, Thomas Matthew Crooks, was a registered Republican.
    - KevinMS 1y ago
      discredits the whole list IMO
  - whn1138 1y ago
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_shootings_of_Minnesota_legislators https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_shootings_of_Minnesota_...
  - tzs 1y ago
    Here's a site that made a list [1]. > In 2018, Cesar Altieri Sayoc was sentenced to 20 years prison for sending pipe bombs to nine prominent Democrats, including Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and Maxine Waters. Sayoc was a registered Republican. > In 2020, 13 men attempted to punish Michigan’s Democrat Governor Gretchen Whitmer for enforcing Covid lockdown measures. All were far right extremists. > Roy Den Hollander murdered human rights lawyer Marc Angelucci in July 2020. He then tried to kill district judge Esther Salas, but succeeded instead in murdering her son and seriously wounding her husband. Hollander was a far right Trump supporter. > Quintez Brown attempted to kill Democratic Mayor of Louisville, Kentucky, Craig Greenberg, in February 2022. Brown was motivated by Black nationalism, pan-Africanism and revolutionary socialism. > In October 2022 David DePape seriously injured Paul Pelosi with a hammer while seeking to kill House of Representatives Speaker, Nancy Pelosi. DePape is a far right Trump supporter. > In December 2022, Solomon Peña paid gunmen to attack the houses of Democrat state lawmakers in New Mexico. Peña is a registered Republican and a former candidate for state office. > Craig Robertson was shot and killed by FBI agents in August 2023 while being arrested for threats against President Joe Biden and others. Robertson was an army veteran with extreme right wing views. > Donald Trump himself was targeted at a July 2024 rally in Pennsylvania. The shooter Thomas Crooks killed one attendee and injured three others, including Trump, whose ear was cut by a flying fragment. Crooks was a registered Republican. > Another attempt on Trump’s life, thwarted before completion, was made by Trump voter Ryan Routh in September 2024. The trial is continuing. > In April 2025, Cody Balmer attempted to kill Pennsylvania’s Democratic Governor Josh Shapiro in an arson attack which caused extensive property damage but no injuries. Balmer was a Trump supporter at the time. > The Democrat Speaker of the Minnesota House of Representatives Melissa Hortman and her husband Mark Hortman were killed by avid Trump supporter and registered Republican Vance Boelter in June 2025. > Boelter then attempted to murder Minnesota Senator John Hoffman and succeeded in seriously injuring the senator and his wife. [1] https://azexpress.net/en/posts/509/none-of-the-last-31-political-attacks-was-by-anyone-from-the-left-not-one-we-can-count-them https://azexpress.net/en/posts/509/none-of-the-last-31-polit...
JohnTHaller 1y ago
Link in case the MAGA flaggers take it down: https://www.404media.co/doj-deletes-study-showing-domestic-terrorists-are-most-often-right-wing/ https://www.404media.co/doj-deletes-study-showing-domestic-t...
t0bia_s 1y ago
Robert Fico, Donald Trump, Charlie Kirk, Solomon Pena, Fumio Kishida, Andriy Parubiy, Alejo Vidal-Quadras Roca, Shinzo Abe, Jair Bolsonaro... All of them represents of right orientated politics and are a victims of assassination in recent years.
- tzs 1y ago
  What does that have to do with US domestic terrorists, which is what the study concerned? Trump is the only one on your list where it was a US domestic terrorist. The shooter in that case seems to have been more right-aligned than left-aligned but there is nothing definitive. He donated $15 to Democrats when he was 17, but a few months later when he was 18 and registered to vote he registered as a Republican. A social media account that is thought to be associated with him had a lot of anti-immigration and antisemitic content.
- Tadpole9181 1y ago
  The only two of those I know of were shot by far-right conservatives...
- myvoiceismypass 1y ago
  Obama, Biden, Hillary were all sent pipe bombs by Cesar Sayoc. The Paul Pelosi assailant was celebrated by people like Don Jr and Charlie Kirk.
- gaadd33 1y ago
  Jair Bolsonaro is still alive at least according to mainstream media, do you have any links to where he was killed in an assassination?
anonymousiam 1y ago
Joe Biden, while he was POTUS, went on national television and proclaimed that "Extreme MAGA Republicans" were the greatest threat to our democracy. https://www.npr.org/2022/09/02/1120690193/bidens-speech-walks-a-fine-line-in-its-attack-on-maga-republicans https://www.npr.org/2022/09/02/1120690193/bidens-speech-walk...
- tastyface 1y ago
  Are you implying he was wrong? Why were the Jan. 6 insurrectionists and cop-beaters pardoned by the party of "law and order"? Why is Ashli Babbitt getting a funeral with military honors and a $5m settlement for her family?!
- chneu 1y ago
  For years the FBI had right wing extremists as the most dangerous domestic threat.
- OkayPhysicist 1y ago
  They attempted a coup. Yeah, that's an extremely reasonable take.
- duxup 1y ago
  Apparently, not wrong.
- myvoiceismypass 1y ago
  I mean they tried to hang Pence, and killed some cops along the way. So yeah.
- RickJWagner 1y ago
  I’d say MAGA is as well defined as antifa.
mgh2 1y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
sleight42 1y ago
Are these flagged posts just buried if you're not using Algolia/API to view HN? Glad that I am using the former.

marcusverus 1y ago

https://archive.is/A5TGH https://archive.is/A5TGH

DeepYogurt 1y ago

Memory hole anything inconvenient

mtharrison 1y ago

Is there anyone monitoring US government websites for deletion of pages beyond what people may notice in an ad hoc way? I feel like this should be automated.

gs17 1y ago
There's an Archive Team project for the government, although it's just trying to get as much of a snapshot as possible: https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/US_Government https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/US_Government Detecting changes across all pages in real time is going to be difficult to accomplish.
- toomuchtodo 1y ago
  You can use a combination of the website capture data available in the Internet Archive along with what the Internet Archive and ArchiveTeam crawl to analyze and track when page status changes (both content and http codes, 200->4xx for example). Look for the diffs across the .govs of interest. Crawling continues. (no affiliation, friendly reminder to donate to the archive)

add-sub-mul-div 1y ago

> Elon Musk, who owns X, recently tweeted that he was going to “fix” the platform’s AI assistant Grok after it cited research that showed right-wing violence was more common than left-wing violence: “My apologies, we are fixing this cringe idiocy by Grok,” he said. I understand why it's hard to make AI that's accurate, but Musk's elite engineers can't even make it push a preferred narrative consistently. Sounds like it should be a much easier problem to solve.

altcognito 1y ago
I think the last time they tried it ended up going mechahitler
Insanity 1y ago
Regardless of the bias inherent in Grok, it wasn't a good experience to me. I tried it for some time before going back to ChatGPT (this was before GPT-5 though, I'm also not super happy with GPT-5 UX)
- jdiff 1y ago
  What issues did you have with Grok/are having with GPT5?
deleted 1y ago
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tim333 1y ago
I find it quite amusing that Grok tends to contradict Musk's untruths.
Mr_Eri_Atlov 1y ago
The last time they tried to make it agree with Elon consistently, it proclaimed itself to be mechahitler so...
myvoiceismypass 1y ago
Curious - which facts did Musk refute specifically that Grok had pointed out? I don't have a twitter account so I can't really go see this thread.

Insanity 1y ago

I think this is not too surprising? Both the result and the action of hiding it? From my understanding, right-wing usually means more pro-gun. If you already have guns, the threshold for terrorist actions is likely lower.

arthurofbabylon 1y ago
Not surprising, and absolutely newsworthy.
- Insanity 1y ago
  Oh yes, I didn’t mean to say it should be ignored. Just more expressing that sadly I’m not surprised by this action with the current government.
hypeatei 1y ago
> I think this is not too surprising? I don't think we should normalize cover ups like this especially when it comes to political violence studies. POTUS immediately blamed the "radical left" after the attack without evidence. Not only is that reckless, it's not even the most likely scenario. > If you already have guns, the threshold for terrorist actions is likely lower Guns are easily accessible to everyone in America.
- jdiff 1y ago
  Guns are accessible, but prior gun ownership is skewed, and prior gun ownership is one less barrier to cross when attempting political violence. In theory, that should mean increased attempts for that high-gun-ownership demographic.
  - mingus88 1y ago
    Exactly, because owning a gun and being trained are very different things. I own guns but I am not capable of performing a Charlie Kirk style assassination. Nor could I actually carry out a school shooting with high rate of fire across many weapons. Both of these crimes require that the shooter have training and practice in this style of shooting. You need specialized equipment beyond what a casual gun owner will spend. Buying a 9mm and going to the range every couple of months isn’t cutting it. Gun culture creates the environment where folk are prepping for combat situations. Go watch any guntuber and you’ll see them train for military situations that your hunter, farmer, or even family defense gun owner is not concerned with. In fact, I learned that there’s a pejorative term “Fudds” for gun owners who aren’t militarized like this. As in, Elmer Fudd; an actual hunter that uses guns for game. Somehow this is not a respectable person for a gun nut. When gun ownership becomes a hobby and personality trait you see a lot more people optimizing their habits toward maximum lethality

clot27 1y ago

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dylan604 1y ago

Other than the Weather Underground, I'm having trouble thinking of left wing groups.

proxyon 1y ago
antifa
- hypeatei 1y ago
  Maybe I'm biased, but I don't think antifa has been relevant for the past... five years? My mind puts them in the pre-COVID bucket.
  - jdiff 1y ago
    They've remained a continuous feature of right wing scare media.
    - dylan604 1y ago
      That doesn't make it true though. Just like 300 million Americans died from overdosing on drugs according to POTUS. They just say things knowing people in their base will not verify anything they say. If someone does, they clearly are opposition just making a stink.
      - jdiff 1y ago
        No, it certainly doesn't. But lies are the only relevance "antifa" has, and if you ask the people caught up in it, they'll adamantly insist that antifa is an extensive organization with identifiable leaders and cohesive plans that are executed widely by a unified member body. None of that's true. But we should be aware of the lies being told, at least the ones told widely.
- cstoner 1y ago
  Generally, when someone says something like "left wing groups" they mean something with a formal organization. "Antifa" is less of an organization than even some loose collective like "anonymous" Are there left-wing agitators? Sure, black bloc and other "direct action" protestors have been around since at least the world trade protests in the 90s. But to the best of my knowledge there isn't really a formal "antifa" organization to dismantle or anything.

proxyon 1y ago

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ck2 1y ago

While it's important to note they are trying to delete stuff like that it's way way more alarming they are deleting cancer research, for many decades to come https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/14/magazine/trump-administration-cancer.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/14/magazine/trump-administra... and the weird thing is no-one quite understands why, this is not even vaccine related

o11c 1y ago
Ignoring the obvious, you mean?
jacquesm 1y ago
The most likely explanation that I've seen so far is that the trans-humanists believe that they will solve the aging problem and that that will solve cancer as a byproduct, so we should pour lots of money into their pet subject. It's pretty obvious why they would want to solve aging first as long as they don't have cancer, after that it is going to be a toss-up.

mgh2 1y ago

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zsli 1y ago
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- pesus 1y ago
  The article is not wrong just because the above commenter didn't like it. Take a look yourself: https://archive.is/2024.10.24-222147/https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/what-nij-research-tells-us-about-domestic-terrorism https://archive.is/2024.10.24-222147/https://nij.ojp.gov/top...
- jacquesm 1y ago
  Would have been nice if you were as skeptical of what the OP wrote. But here's the summary from TFA: "Militant, nationalistic, white supremacist violent extremism has increased in the United States. In fact, the number of far-right attacks continues to outpace all other types of terrorism and domestic violent extremism. Since 1990, far-right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far-left or radical Islamist extremists, including 227 events that took more than 520 lives.1 In this same period, far-left extremists committed 42 ideologically motivated attacks that took 78 lives.2 A recent threat assessment by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security concluded that domestic violent extremists are an acute threat and highlighted a probability that COVID-19 pandemic- related stressors, long-standing ideological grievances related to immigration, and narratives surrounding electoral fraud will continue to serve as a justification for violent actions." https://web.archive.org/web/20250911165140/https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/306123.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20250911165140/https://www.ojp.g... One standard response to someone quoting a source they do not link is always to go to the source. You may well be presented with cherry picked data.
- ath3nd 1y ago
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pesus 1y ago

BatteryMountain 1y ago

Non-american here: if you get to the point where you want to kill another person or groups of people, it doesn't really matter whether you are left/right/pink/blue/whatever. You are unwell. To blame an entire group for one person's mental break is silly. You have no idea what is in another person's head, what their beliefs are, which of those beliefs are conflicting with each other. You might as well say that because the person ate pizza on the day, that we should blame and ban italian pizza places. Silly. I live in a very broken country too, but our people are not shooting up random places/people. We have many guns too, so we cannot attribute it to that. I think the kind of person that is willing to kill others (in the american sense, shootings), typically are highly suicidal but since they are able to blame the society or some aspect of society, they come to the conclusion to not commit suicide but to rather attack the system as a final punishment / giving up moment or to assert that they have some form of control. They ofcoarse find no relief there either. Meanwhile your media and politician use these people as scape goats and cheerleaders for their own agendas. Disgusting in its own right.

jdiff 1y ago
Killing innocents is for the unwell, but assassinations have been a staple of politics for as long as humanity has had politics. It also doesn't follow that an entire group can't be held for a single person's actions. There are plenty of organizations that go out of their way to shape individuals' ways of thinking in order (or otherwise compel them) to harm groups of innocent others. Those groups can and absolutely should be held accountable.

jacquesm 1y ago

https://web.archive.org/web/20250911165140/https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/306123.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20250911165140/https://www.ojp.g... TFA

ath3nd 1y ago

On HN there was another post about DOJ going against the guy who made the anti-ICE app: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44496458 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44496458 and it's also flagged, which is a pity. This book might be relevant for those trying to understand why and how fascists attempt to control the narrative by suppression of the free press, erasure of documents, and nowadays hiding and flagging posts on social media and popular RSS feeds: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/207294076-erasing-history https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/207294076-erasing-histor...

stopthebullshit 1y ago

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Mr_Eri_Atlov 1y ago

The party insists that political violence, by definition, requires a suitable leftist minority identity to apply. Any violence by a member of the party is just sparkling patriotism.

JohnTHaller 1y ago

Since 1975, right-wing terrorists have killed 5.5x as many people as left-wing terrorists.

bad_username 1y ago
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- rstuart4133 1y ago
  Seriously? Attempted Trump assassination, July 13, 2024. The shooter, Thomas Matthew Crooks, was a registered Republican.
  - KevinMS 1y ago
    discredits the whole list IMO
- whn1138 1y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_shootings_of_Minnesota_legislators https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_shootings_of_Minnesota_...
- tzs 1y ago
  Here's a site that made a list [1]. > In 2018, Cesar Altieri Sayoc was sentenced to 20 years prison for sending pipe bombs to nine prominent Democrats, including Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and Maxine Waters. Sayoc was a registered Republican. > In 2020, 13 men attempted to punish Michigan’s Democrat Governor Gretchen Whitmer for enforcing Covid lockdown measures. All were far right extremists. > Roy Den Hollander murdered human rights lawyer Marc Angelucci in July 2020. He then tried to kill district judge Esther Salas, but succeeded instead in murdering her son and seriously wounding her husband. Hollander was a far right Trump supporter. > Quintez Brown attempted to kill Democratic Mayor of Louisville, Kentucky, Craig Greenberg, in February 2022. Brown was motivated by Black nationalism, pan-Africanism and revolutionary socialism. > In October 2022 David DePape seriously injured Paul Pelosi with a hammer while seeking to kill House of Representatives Speaker, Nancy Pelosi. DePape is a far right Trump supporter. > In December 2022, Solomon Peña paid gunmen to attack the houses of Democrat state lawmakers in New Mexico. Peña is a registered Republican and a former candidate for state office. > Craig Robertson was shot and killed by FBI agents in August 2023 while being arrested for threats against President Joe Biden and others. Robertson was an army veteran with extreme right wing views. > Donald Trump himself was targeted at a July 2024 rally in Pennsylvania. The shooter Thomas Crooks killed one attendee and injured three others, including Trump, whose ear was cut by a flying fragment. Crooks was a registered Republican. > Another attempt on Trump’s life, thwarted before completion, was made by Trump voter Ryan Routh in September 2024. The trial is continuing. > In April 2025, Cody Balmer attempted to kill Pennsylvania’s Democratic Governor Josh Shapiro in an arson attack which caused extensive property damage but no injuries. Balmer was a Trump supporter at the time. > The Democrat Speaker of the Minnesota House of Representatives Melissa Hortman and her husband Mark Hortman were killed by avid Trump supporter and registered Republican Vance Boelter in June 2025. > Boelter then attempted to murder Minnesota Senator John Hoffman and succeeded in seriously injuring the senator and his wife. [1] https://azexpress.net/en/posts/509/none-of-the-last-31-political-attacks-was-by-anyone-from-the-left-not-one-we-can-count-them https://azexpress.net/en/posts/509/none-of-the-last-31-polit...

JohnTHaller 1y ago

Link in case the MAGA flaggers take it down: https://www.404media.co/doj-deletes-study-showing-domestic-terrorists-are-most-often-right-wing/ https://www.404media.co/doj-deletes-study-showing-domestic-t...

t0bia_s 1y ago

Robert Fico, Donald Trump, Charlie Kirk, Solomon Pena, Fumio Kishida, Andriy Parubiy, Alejo Vidal-Quadras Roca, Shinzo Abe, Jair Bolsonaro... All of them represents of right orientated politics and are a victims of assassination in recent years.

tzs 1y ago
What does that have to do with US domestic terrorists, which is what the study concerned? Trump is the only one on your list where it was a US domestic terrorist. The shooter in that case seems to have been more right-aligned than left-aligned but there is nothing definitive. He donated $15 to Democrats when he was 17, but a few months later when he was 18 and registered to vote he registered as a Republican. A social media account that is thought to be associated with him had a lot of anti-immigration and antisemitic content.
Tadpole9181 1y ago
The only two of those I know of were shot by far-right conservatives...
myvoiceismypass 1y ago
Obama, Biden, Hillary were all sent pipe bombs by Cesar Sayoc. The Paul Pelosi assailant was celebrated by people like Don Jr and Charlie Kirk.
gaadd33 1y ago
Jair Bolsonaro is still alive at least according to mainstream media, do you have any links to where he was killed in an assassination?

anonymousiam 1y ago

Joe Biden, while he was POTUS, went on national television and proclaimed that "Extreme MAGA Republicans" were the greatest threat to our democracy. https://www.npr.org/2022/09/02/1120690193/bidens-speech-walks-a-fine-line-in-its-attack-on-maga-republicans https://www.npr.org/2022/09/02/1120690193/bidens-speech-walk...

tastyface 1y ago
Are you implying he was wrong? Why were the Jan. 6 insurrectionists and cop-beaters pardoned by the party of "law and order"? Why is Ashli Babbitt getting a funeral with military honors and a $5m settlement for her family?!
chneu 1y ago
For years the FBI had right wing extremists as the most dangerous domestic threat.
OkayPhysicist 1y ago
They attempted a coup. Yeah, that's an extremely reasonable take.
duxup 1y ago
Apparently, not wrong.
myvoiceismypass 1y ago
I mean they tried to hang Pence, and killed some cops along the way. So yeah.
RickJWagner 1y ago
I’d say MAGA is as well defined as antifa.

mgh2 1y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

sleight42 1y ago

Are these flagged posts just buried if you're not using Algolia/API to view HN? Glad that I am using the former.