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We can only hope this administration and its supporters are a temporary aberration that the US can claw its way back out of. Otherwise, that classic advice to s
by wrs 1y ago
We can only hope this administration and its supporters are a temporary aberration that the US can claw its way back out of. Otherwise, that classic advice to sign up your kids for Mandarin class starts to sound pretty good.
- windowshopping 1y agoWhy would moving to an even more authoritarian country be good advice? What?
- wrs 1y agoBecause if you want to get a good science education, you need to be in a place that supports science and education. The administration has disrupted the system that made the US the world scientific leader, a status it’s had only since the mid-20th century, which it achieved through concerted government and social investment. Which country is doing that right now? In 1930, if you wanted access to the great science universities and literature, you learned German. Things can change. Quickly.
- XorNot 1y agoThe point is you'll be doing business in high technology with China, not America. Helps to speak the language when you negotiate.
- alephnerd 1y agoI disagree with that. Instead we are seeing increased siloing of scientific domains. The EU is cracking down on EU-Chinese research cooperation (as recent arrests and deportations in France have shown), India still has a de facto freeze on Chinese R&D and China is still enforcing export controls on IP to India, and South Korea and Japan are still controlling any IP generated from their industrial research fusion programs. We're instead seeing at least 6-7 different scientific and capital ecosystems forming, and with collaboration being tightly controlled by governments.
- wmf 1y agoAssuming that's true... if the largest silo is China I can imagine plenty of people wanting to "defect" to China for their own advancement. But you'll have to speak Chinese.
- alephnerd 1y agoMost countries and transnational organizations continue to use English as the primary lingua franca, even despite China becoming a major R&D hub. The EU continues to use English as the lingua franca for scientific communication due to the diversity within the EU. On the India side, research done as part of the pact with Japan [0], Taiwan [1], South Korea [2], the EU [3], and the US [4] is done in English. And on the Vietnam side (based on my SO's experience), all of her ASEAN-Japan and ASEAN-SK collaboration was done in English as well. [0] - https://www.jst.go.jp/inter/english/project/country/india.html https://www.jst.go.jp/inter/english/project/country/india.ht... [1] - https://www.iitrpr.ac.in/indo-taiwan/ https://www.iitrpr.ac.in/indo-taiwan/ [2] - https://www.ikst.res.in/ikst-en/index.do https://www.ikst.res.in/ikst-en/index.do [3] - https://research-and-innovation.ec.europa.eu/news/all-research-and-innovation-news/evaluation-eu-india-science-technology-agreement-highlights-achievements-and-showcases-future-2025-02-25_en https://research-and-innovation.ec.europa.eu/news/all-resear... [4] - https://carnegieendowment.org/research/2024/10/the-us-india-initiative-on-critical-and-emerging-technology-icet-from-2022-to-2025-assessment-learnings-and-the-way-forward?lang=en https://carnegieendowment.org/research/2024/10/the-us-india-...
- School-Cotton 1y agoAmerica isn’t the only place that speaks English. It’s the global standard language. When a Japanese and a Chinese person negotiate they are already using English.
- jfaat 1y agoThat is a wild claim
- School-Cotton 1y agoWhich part?
- jfaat 1y ago"When a Japanese and a Chinese person negotiate they are already using English"
- School-Cotton 1y agoWhat language do you think they use? All Japanese people learn English at school; few learn Chinese as you can verify by reading about the Japanese school system from various sources including Wikipedia. Similarly in China, English is the only mandatory foreign language taught at school.
- jfaat 1y ago> What language do you think they use? Frequently, Chinese or Japanese. For example companies in these countries employ translators. Are you suggesting they rely on primary school-level English to negotiate?
- const_cast 1y agoOther countries have competent language programs, the US is pretty unique in having unbelievably shit education in foreign languages. That is to say, I would not be surprised if, in China, people are quiet fluent in English.
- phamtrongthang 1y agoI find this quite true in my field. Recently I attended the biggest conference in computer vision (CVPR), and almost half the time I was there, I heard Chinese instead of English. Most people I met joked that we should learn Mandarin if we want to continue doing AI research now.
- contrarian1234 1y agoB/c the next Carnegie Mellon will be there
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- dfxm12 1y agoYou mean reactionism. A conservative wants to keep the status quo. A reactionary wants to regress to a previous status quo (i.e. perhaps from 150 years ago).
- seanmcdirmid 1y agoConservation literally means to preserve. Teddy Roosevelt was a conservative who established the national park system to preserve our country's natural wonder. You might also say that conservatives don't believe in spending lots of money and are against high deficits and fiscal craziness. None of those really describe the conservative movement in America today.
- thwarted 1y agoThe conservative movement today is heavily influenced by religious positions.
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- hyperhello 1y agoThat's not what it means in practice. The element being conserved is monarchy.
- seanmcdirmid 1y agoThat has never been an American conservative ideal for obvious reasons.
- conductr 1y agoJust curious, but is there any evidence that Chinese/Indian/etc will even be as open to US students as the US has been to them? I have no knowledge of what their intentions may be, but I think it’s a pretty large assumption that they would even take American students at all
- seanmcdirmid 1y agoPKU and Tisnghua both have overseas student programs and they are particularly eager to have qualified takers. Now, the question is how far does that go when the schools really become popular undergrad and grad STEM studies? The bigger problem is that schools like MIT, Stanford, UCB, UCI throw (or threw?) lots of resources at students that Chinese schools didn't really do (and maybe still don't? My info is 10 years out of date). Even the lower ranked schools have ample resources and fairly well paying TA/RA-ships available. In China, you would have to work for your professor's side company to get money, and the professor might not let you graduate if you were doing a good job (again, 10 years ago, I have no idea what its like today, China is changing quickly).
- jeffreysmith 1y agoAmerican here who went to a Chinese (grad) school for CS and was admitted to every Chinese school I applied to. This is very much a possible route, if you’re appropriately qualified for the program. The main issue is language: outside of HK, programs in English are rare.
- contrarian1234 1y agoThat's extremely impressive that you managed to reach such a high level of fluency. I find written and technical Chinese is extremely tricky and different from spoken Chinese
- AngryData 1y agoI would find it hard to imagine they wouldn't welcome foreign students just for the fact that there are so few in comparison to start with. Even if tons of US kids started going to China for college, they would always remain a tiny fraction of students due to the population size disparity.
- jltsiren 1y agoKids may want to learn Chinese for the same reason they may want to learn Arabic or Spanish. It helps doing business in some parts of the world. But China is not going to be the dominant superpower (except maybe if they manage to beat the rest of the world in AI). Their labor force is already in decline, which means they must gradually shift their focus from building the future to maintaining the society. Like Europe and Japan are already doing.