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Personally I'd be very careful about traveling to the US office for a two week visit these days on an ESTA or similar Visa Waiver. Historically people have don
by slyall 1y ago
Personally I'd be very careful about traveling to the US office for a two week visit these days on an ESTA or similar Visa Waiver.
Historically people have done it and a blind eye has been turned, but with the climate these days you want to be 100% in compliance of your Visa conditions.
- a_bonobo 1y agoHere in Australia, we've received org-wide approval to just not go to the US if we cannot help it. It's not worth the risk.
- blackguardx 1y agoMy US-based company has the same policy for all international travel now to avoid any incidents coming back into the US.
- AnotherGoodName 1y agoTraditionally the to do work trips into the USA for Australia and other USA allies was the ESTA visa waiver that these Koreans were on. From reading about what happened here it seems the South Koreans were on that visa waiver for their work trips. A lot of people claiming "it doesn't allow you to work" yet the visa waiver has a long long list of various types of work it does allow and it's pretty broad. So it seems the ESTA isn't worth anything anymore. You can't go to the USA without a very very heavyweight working VISA. Ok. No more trade shows, conferences or general business trips.
- seanmcdirmid 1y ago> So it seems the ESTA isn't worth anything anymore. You can't go to the USA without a very very heavyweight working VISA. There really isn’t much between a B-1 and an H1-B, so there isn’t much of a path forward here. That factory isn’t getting built until the USA re-instates previous exceptions.
- nitinreddy88 1y agoIsn't it how it supposed to be? Valid Visa -> free to enter No valid Visa -> should be behind the bars
- standardUser 1y agoThat a gross misunderstanding of immigration laws, considering nearly all immigration violations are civil matters, not criminal.
- wasabi991011 1y agoWhy behind bars? Isn't the obvious step to deport them?
- dpkirchner 1y agoThe first step is to get them in front of a judge.
- lazyasciiart 1y agoNo, it’s to imprison them and have someone yell at them in English to sign a piece of paper written in English that says you agree to be deported.
- behringer 1y agoNo, probably not.
- wasabi991011 1y agoThe comment specifically mentions visa waivers and ESTA
- protocolture 1y agoThats disgusting.
- graeme 1y agoIf you've ever traveled abroad and replied to a work email or worked on anything at your hotel there's a chance you violated visa rules in some form. Very easy to find a violation if you want to find one, following the letter and not the spirit of the law.
- scotty79 1y agoUS is on my no-fly list for many years now and most likely will stay there till my death.
- azinman2 1y agoSeems extreme.
- tfourb 1y agoWhy? There are tons of reports of individuals getting stuck in detention for weeks for extremely minor or even no actual immigration offenses. I’ve traveled extensively across africa including some pretty shady countries and I now feel that I have to put the US in the same bucket: avoid, if not absolutely necessary, due to risks outside of my own control. I mean, there’s literally hundreds of countries, why would I go somewhere with the risk of being arbitrarily detained, if I can help it at all?
- rsynnott 1y agoI mean, unless you have a pressing reason to go there... there are lots of other places you could go which are less likely to randomly detain you.
- thirtygeo 1y agoSame. And many were glad when our head office moved from Houston to Madrid (22,000 employees)
- moltar 1y agoSame, and I’m from Canada. Lots of international flights route thru the US. I have to make extra effort to avoid. Been doing that for 10 years. Just not worth the risk.
- seanmcdirmid 1y agoIsn’t that somewhat simplified by doing immigration for the USA at Canadian airports? In that case, I’d guess they could say no at the airport but you aren’t really at risk of being deported since you are still in Canada, and there are no emigration checks in American airports.
- yibg 1y agoMaybe time to short some US airline stocks since historically international business travel accounted for a decent chunk of overall airline revenues.