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One thing that history shows again and again is people being killed for their beliefs. Charlie always spoke from his heart, from his deeply held intellectual a

One thing that history shows again and again is people being killed for their beliefs. Charlie always spoke from his heart, from his deeply held intellectual and spiritual beliefs. He died, literally on a stage defending those beliefs.

mcphage 1y ago
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- tredeske 1y ago
  What does your statement say about your heart? Charlie regularly received death threats. Implicitly or explicitly telling him to quit or else. He had the courage of his convictions and refused to change his beliefs or be deterred from acting on them. His haters martyred him. Like Justin Martyr, who refused to change his beliefs and worship pagan gods, and who kept to his course despite being told he would be executed if he didn't change.
  - mcphage 1y ago
    > He had the courage of his convictions and refused to change his beliefs or be deterred from acting on them. That's only a good thing to the degree that those beliefs are good. Charlie's beliefs were evil.
  - johnnyanmac 1y ago
    71 day old, account, but these are your only comments on the site. I guess trolling is alive and well even on a community like HN.
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theossuary 1y ago
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- foxglacier 1y ago
  You're using subjective language so you can't really be wrong but it doesn't mean anything either. You're just perpetuating a general sense of hate. I'd say this kind of thinking and talking is why he was so hated - people enjoy being part of a mob expressing righteous judgement of whoever the popular target is.
  - peterashford 1y ago
    I think he's just stating a fact. And pointing out bigotry is not in itself hateful. Unless you think the civil rights movement was motivated by hate?
    - foxglacier 1y ago
      I can't see his post now but it wasn't a fact. It was a subjective generalization of the type that some people would feel is correct and others would feel isn't, but can't be tested objectively.
      - theossuary 1y ago
        Hackernews really hates it when you tell them the truth. The post simply stated what Charlie Kirk was saying moments before his untimely demise
- qcnguy 1y ago
  At the time he was shot he was talking about the problem of trans people being much more violent than average. If his shooter gets caught and is trans, well, that would be "died for his beliefs" in a very extreme way.
  - Gupie 1y ago
    If they are trans or not he still "died for his beliefs", as he had said: "I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our God-given rights."
thrance 1y ago
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- mensetmanusman 1y ago
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  - thrance 1y ago
    > He also preached the views that offend the stonks go up brainwashing of the youth happening in academia. Speaking of unhinged takes... I literally can't parse that sentence. Touch grass sometime soon?
    - mensetmanusman 1y ago
      Sure, I’ll unpack, sorry for the over-compression: Academia and broader cultural messaging teach students to see career success, productivity, and corporate loyalty as higher priorities than caring for or investing in family. People are encouraged to define themselves by their job titles, income, or the prestige of their employer rather than by family roles or community contributions. (Proven in polls) Students may be groomed to see working for large companies as the “default path” to security, respectability, and self-worth. This is relevant with in the context of how few gen Z folks on the left view family as important (<10%) - this was major news this week. Universities often emphasize employability, corporate partnerships, and internships with major firms, implicitly signaling that this is the “right” way to succeed. If corporate work is framed as more important, family responsibilities can be treated as distractions rather than central parts of life. Societies that reward corporate loyalty over family care risk weakening intergenerational bonds and making people feel alienated outside of work. The critique is that academia is not only instilling blind faith in perpetual economic growth but also shaping values so that young people see serving corporations as more worthwhile than serving their families. Kirk’s main message was pushing back against that hierarchy—saying family, community, and personal meaning should matter more than being a cog in the corporate machine.
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mcphage 1y ago

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tredeske 1y ago
What does your statement say about your heart? Charlie regularly received death threats. Implicitly or explicitly telling him to quit or else. He had the courage of his convictions and refused to change his beliefs or be deterred from acting on them. His haters martyred him. Like Justin Martyr, who refused to change his beliefs and worship pagan gods, and who kept to his course despite being told he would be executed if he didn't change.
- mcphage 1y ago
  > He had the courage of his convictions and refused to change his beliefs or be deterred from acting on them. That's only a good thing to the degree that those beliefs are good. Charlie's beliefs were evil.
- johnnyanmac 1y ago
  71 day old, account, but these are your only comments on the site. I guess trolling is alive and well even on a community like HN.

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theossuary 1y ago

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foxglacier 1y ago
You're using subjective language so you can't really be wrong but it doesn't mean anything either. You're just perpetuating a general sense of hate. I'd say this kind of thinking and talking is why he was so hated - people enjoy being part of a mob expressing righteous judgement of whoever the popular target is.
- peterashford 1y ago
  I think he's just stating a fact. And pointing out bigotry is not in itself hateful. Unless you think the civil rights movement was motivated by hate?
  - foxglacier 1y ago
    I can't see his post now but it wasn't a fact. It was a subjective generalization of the type that some people would feel is correct and others would feel isn't, but can't be tested objectively.
    - theossuary 1y ago
      Hackernews really hates it when you tell them the truth. The post simply stated what Charlie Kirk was saying moments before his untimely demise
qcnguy 1y ago
At the time he was shot he was talking about the problem of trans people being much more violent than average. If his shooter gets caught and is trans, well, that would be "died for his beliefs" in a very extreme way.
- Gupie 1y ago
  If they are trans or not he still "died for his beliefs", as he had said: "I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our God-given rights."

thrance 1y ago

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mensetmanusman 1y ago
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- thrance 1y ago
  > He also preached the views that offend the stonks go up brainwashing of the youth happening in academia. Speaking of unhinged takes... I literally can't parse that sentence. Touch grass sometime soon?
  - mensetmanusman 1y ago
    Sure, I’ll unpack, sorry for the over-compression: Academia and broader cultural messaging teach students to see career success, productivity, and corporate loyalty as higher priorities than caring for or investing in family. People are encouraged to define themselves by their job titles, income, or the prestige of their employer rather than by family roles or community contributions. (Proven in polls) Students may be groomed to see working for large companies as the “default path” to security, respectability, and self-worth. This is relevant with in the context of how few gen Z folks on the left view family as important (<10%) - this was major news this week. Universities often emphasize employability, corporate partnerships, and internships with major firms, implicitly signaling that this is the “right” way to succeed. If corporate work is framed as more important, family responsibilities can be treated as distractions rather than central parts of life. Societies that reward corporate loyalty over family care risk weakening intergenerational bonds and making people feel alienated outside of work. The critique is that academia is not only instilling blind faith in perpetual economic growth but also shaping values so that young people see serving corporations as more worthwhile than serving their families. Kirk’s main message was pushing back against that hierarchy—saying family, community, and personal meaning should matter more than being a cog in the corporate machine.
    - 1y ago