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Whichever side of whatever fence you're on, it's universally a bad thing when politicians, political activists and political representatives get assassinated.
by hunglee2 1y ago
Whichever side of whatever fence you're on, it's universally a bad thing when politicians, political activists and political representatives get assassinated.
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- lovich 1y agoAs if any answer to that question on a public forum won’t be moderated to oblivion
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- jobs_throwaway 1y agoplease give us a few
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- baby_souffle 1y agoThere are a few pretty notable assassinations around people that helped or collaborated with the Nazis. Argibly those assassinations prevented further worse outcomes. But in _recent_ memory, the one that comes to mind immediately is Abu Musab al-Zarqawi not too long after 9/11. His death disrupted Al Qaeda in Iraq which almost certainly was a net benefit. Bin laden himself also comes to mind but it's unclear how much more potential he had to inflict terror on the world at the time in his life when he was assassinated.
- tolerance 1y ago> But in _recent_ memory, the one that comes to mind immediately is Abu Musab al-Zarqawi not too long after 9/11. His death disrupted Al Qaeda in Iraq which almost certainly was a net benefit. Giving rise to ISIS. > Bin laden himself also comes to mind but it's unclear how much more potential he had to inflict terror on the world at the time in his life when he was assassinated. Political theater at best.
- baby_souffle 1y ago> Giving rise to ISIS. Debatable as to weather it delayed or intensified ISIS but I think you're missing my broader point; his disposal prevented immediate harm and that was a net benefit. > Political theater at best. I'd argue there was a very symbolic benefit and even if there is/was a power vacuum. I floated this question to a friend that likes to nerd out on geopolitics and they suggested that there's a few warlords in africa that tend to end civil wars and make way for successful peace talks after they're dead. I had never heard of the UNITA but as soon as Jonas Savimbi was assassinated, a decade+ civil war ended and Angola had elections shortly thereafter. Goodwins law would apply if any of the _many_ attempts had succeeded.
- tolerance 1y ago
- tripplyons 1y agoThe problem is that if you think assassinations can be good, any individual person starts to decide when it is okay to assassinate someone. Giving out that power is not a good idea.
- pavel_lishin 1y agoBut we have given out that power. You can buy that power at Walmart.
- DiggyJohnson 1y agoAnd we give our car licenses. Doesn’t mean you can run over your political adversaries. I didn’t expect the popularity of this line of reasoning: being pro-2A means license to kill. This is sickening.
- otterley 1y agoA car's primary purpose is not to kill or injure someone.
- DiggyJohnson 1y agoA gun license literally means you are licensed to use this weapon for sport or self defense. I’m not a public figure but I support the 2A, would you feel sorry for me if I was shot giving a speech? Would you feel different if Charlie was murdered by a machete or hand grenade?
- otterley 1y ago> A gun license literally means you are licensed to use this weapon for sport or self defense. I don't know what that has to do with anything. Plus, the 2A forbids mandatory licensing for firearms users. > I’m not a public figure but I support the 2A, would you feel sorry for me if I was shot giving a speech? It's not about whether someone supports the 2A or not. It's what they do with their lives that matters. If a person's life's mission is to deny white privilege and defend the 2A despite its obvious risks, then make a public statement that school shootings are an acceptable price to pay so that we can have it, then no, I'm not going to feel sorry for that person if they are shot. It's poetic justice. Live by the sword, die by the sword. > Would you feel different if Charlie was murdered by a machete or hand grenade? A machete, yes. That has a legitimate use; as with a car, its primary purpose is not to hurt people. A hand grenade, no, as its primary purpose is to harm people, and Mr. Kirk's mission was to protect the rights of those who want to possess devices whose sole purpose is to harm people.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago> there are many examples where this is not true Genuinely curious for an example of domestic assassination working out well for anyone. If they survive, they’re forgiven and quasi-deified. If they die, they’re martyred and replaced. The only cases where this has worked is when it’s a state wholesale wiping out the other side’s political leadership, e.g. Roman proscriptions.
- Ar-Curunir 1y agoshinzo abe? Indira Gandhi? Rajiv Gandhi?
- mothballed 1y agoNicolae Ceaușescu. Unless you don't count it as assassination because they held the flimsiest short kangaroo court before it happened, just to fuck with him.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago> Unless you don't count it as assassination because they held the flimsiest short kangaroo court before it happened, just to fuck with him I don't. Kangaroo courts to try the tyrant are a precedented way of transitioning to democracy.
- fzeroracer 1y agoThe assassination of Shinzo Abe is pretty widely considered massively successful thanks to rooting out the Unification Church corruption. That required the shooter in question to be incredibly sympathetic since their motivation involved links to said church destroying his family. This isn't to say this has any bearing on this event though.
- jhp123 1y agoRabin and Abe seem to be examples where the assassin more or less got what they wanted (derail the peace process and damage the Unification Church respectively)
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- mensetmanusman 1y agoAny rational person knows that if people are afraid to go into politics because of political violence, you are reducing the subset of possible skills available to improve society. However if you are a nihilist, none of this matters anyway.
- otterley 1y ago> you are reducing the subset of possible skills available to improve society. This happened long ago. Politics is exhausting (constant campaigning), poorly paid (unless you can leverage your position to sell bestselling books and speaking engagements later), and you have to check your logic and common sense at the chamber door. You have to have unlimited optimism to not become overwhelmed with cynicism and demotivated by despair from the sausage making process. Overall, politics is a shitty job mainly practiced by hucksters, psychopaths, and well-meaning but naive people who turn into a huckster or psychopath.
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- whycome 1y agoAnd as far as I can tell, he engaged primarily in peaceful verbal and written debate. That should be our political ideal.
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- philipallstar 1y agoYes, he constantly debated left wing people, sometimes nice, sometimes extremely rude, and almost always seemed to find ways to pull conversations back from ad hominem stuff or thoughtless claims to something useful and uniting between him and the person he was speaking to. The people were generally college students, more used to memorising and repeating still, but he did sometimes seem to spark a genuine thought out of them.