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Crazy he wouldn't go for a Bolt. I just bought a 2019 Chevy Bolt w/ 11k miles for $14.5k (so a bit over 10k after federal rebate). It has a brand new battery be

Crazy he wouldn't go for a Bolt. I just bought a 2019 Chevy Bolt w/ 11k miles for $14.5k (so a bit over 10k after federal rebate). It has a brand new battery because all the Bolts were recalled for battery issues. Has around 250m range. Feel like I won the lottery. Still plenty of them available https://www.donohooauto.com/searchused.aspx?Make=Chevrolet&ModelAndTrim=Bolt%20EV https://www.donohooauto.com/searchused.aspx?Make=Chevrolet&M...

ambicapter 1y ago
There still are federal rebates?
- chelmzy 1y ago
  Until September 30th so better hurry.
  - rogerrogerr 1y ago
    Note that many HN residents probably have too much MAGI - do your diligence on that tax credit before assuming you qualify.
    - cosmic_cheese 1y ago
      The way dealerships roll rebates into their advertised prices is incredibly annoying if you don’t qualify. I kind of wonder if prices aren’t being inflated somewhat by dealers being able to put numbers that are ~$10k lower than reality out there.
      - rogerrogerr 1y ago
        I expect to see a severe price drop in both the used and new markets when these credits evaporate. (Which is what you’d expect - of course free government money will raise prices above where they would be.)
      - FireBeyond 1y ago
        Let's not pretend dealerships (for all their legitimate issues) are solely at fault here. Tesla makes you scroll down to find a light grey small text checked box "Include $7,500 Federal tax credit" that is the default.
    - loeg 1y ago
      There is no MAGI exclusion for the tax credit on leases, FWIW.
    - NooneAtAll3 1y ago
      what's magi?
Workaccount2 1y ago
I was so close to pulling the trigger on one of these except for 3 factors: It's driving assist platform is now deprecated and no longer receiving area expansions (I know many could not care less), it's charging speed is pretty slow by today's norms, and it will likely retain almost no value as time goes on.
- wlesieutre 1y ago
  If you're worried about self driving features, there's always the option of a Comma AI retrofit
- nebula8804 1y ago
  Are you saying SuperCruise on the Bolt stops working or just that they wont expand existing coverage? This Bolt EUV car drives so damn good. I was very impressed when I drove it. The Bose audio is also quite good. After testing several new cars, I learned that Bose audio is not implemented the same across manufacturers. For example Mazda Premium Bose is just plain mediocre. For the price that you can pay for one, Bolt EUV is an amazing deal. Unfortunately the charge speed is a deal breaker for many. But I never forgot how well it handles. I really hope these cars last, they are a hidden gem and I think a lot wouldnt care about resale value if that charge speed was a bit better.
  - com2kid 1y ago
    The audio really is banging. Everything from dubstep to heavy metal to classical it handles as well as any car audio system will (which is to say garbage compared to even a mediocre home audio setup, but all car audio sucks due to acoustics of being in a car going down a road!) Sadly I live in a city now so I can't drive down curvy roads away from everyone, windows down blasting beats anymore. :( (I try to be a responsible asshole! :)
- wffurr 1y ago
  "driving assist platform is now deprecated and no longer receiving area expansions" What driving assist platform? I don't think the older Chevy Bolts have any such thing. At least I'm pretty sure my 2017 doesn't.
cosmic_cheese 1y ago
I have a lease end coming up and the Bolt/EUV are on my radar, but one significant advantage that Leafs have is that the lower trims can have their head unit swapped out for a nice Pioneer or Sony unit from Crutchfield, just like is possible with many ICE vehicles, which can get you a nicer infotainment experience (including wireless CarPlay/AA) that isn’t encrusted with rent-seeking gunk.
- seanmcdirmid 1y ago
  > just like is possible with many ICE vehicles Many older ICE vehicles, you mean? EVs aren't really special in their use of custom car-bound head units. BMW XDrive is the same XDrive they have in their EVs as they have in their ICEs. Mandatory backup cams is only going to accelerate that.
  - cosmic_cheese 1y ago
    It’s an unfortunate trend. I’m not sure mandatory backup cameras is really a driving cause, though — the bulk of third party head units have backup cam support out of the box and some even let you add a 360° overhead parking view if you’re willing to drill some holes and wire cameras. The biggest reason for non-modular infotainment is to push people into subscription services.
    - seanmcdirmid 1y ago
      The cars hade to come from the factory with backup cams now, then that’s going to open the floodgates to other features where a custom head unit would be useful, since they need one anyways. Unfortunately none of those features are done in a standard way where pioneer or alpine can plug into the car’s bus and somehow manipulate it.
- turtlebits 1y ago
  The Bolt EV supports Android Auto and Carplay, you can get a ~$30 USB dongle to give you wireless.
- jdeibele 1y ago
ddalex 1y ago
> Has around 250m range 250 meters ? but I want to drive off my street....
- ta12653421 1y ago
  --1
pkulak 1y ago
Well, that's certainly not the cheapest. You can find old Leafs for 5k. People love Bolts, for good reason, and bit them up.
- BizarroLand 1y ago
  I've seen Leafs for $3k or less. The problem is their battery life is ~10 years max, and replacing the battery costs $5k-$15k. That old leaf may have a 30-50 mile max range. Don't get me wrong, that would still cover 80% of my daily driving needs, but when I need to drive to the big town for work on a moments notice I may not have time to drive home and swap out for my ICE vehicle. I have a pre-order in for the Slate, having 150 miles range would cover 99% of my driving needs, so I am not against EVs, just sharing the awareness that battery degradation is a thing to be concerned about.
  - pkulak 1y ago
    > The problem is their battery life is ~10 years max Depends on how you define "life". I think for the Leaf, it's 70% capacity. But even if it gets down to 50%, it'll sill keep driving. Also, what's really annoying, is that every seller factors in tax credits to their price. So that 3k may really be 5k. I'm actually looking forward to that no longer being possible.
  - culopatin 1y ago
    My gf had a leaf when she met me and she couldn’t drive back home in one charge. Worked out great for me. The fact that the range is so ass means you HAVE to charge to 100% every single time, and 80 to 100 takes ages. She’d spend 45min charging for 45min of driving.

ambicapter 1y ago

There still are federal rebates?

chelmzy 1y ago
Until September 30th so better hurry.
- rogerrogerr 1y ago
  Note that many HN residents probably have too much MAGI - do your diligence on that tax credit before assuming you qualify.
  - cosmic_cheese 1y ago
    The way dealerships roll rebates into their advertised prices is incredibly annoying if you don’t qualify. I kind of wonder if prices aren’t being inflated somewhat by dealers being able to put numbers that are ~$10k lower than reality out there.
    - rogerrogerr 1y ago
      I expect to see a severe price drop in both the used and new markets when these credits evaporate. (Which is what you’d expect - of course free government money will raise prices above where they would be.)
    - FireBeyond 1y ago
      Let's not pretend dealerships (for all their legitimate issues) are solely at fault here. Tesla makes you scroll down to find a light grey small text checked box "Include $7,500 Federal tax credit" that is the default.
  - loeg 1y ago
    There is no MAGI exclusion for the tax credit on leases, FWIW.
  - NooneAtAll3 1y ago
    what's magi?

Workaccount2 1y ago

I was so close to pulling the trigger on one of these except for 3 factors: It's driving assist platform is now deprecated and no longer receiving area expansions (I know many could not care less), it's charging speed is pretty slow by today's norms, and it will likely retain almost no value as time goes on.

wlesieutre 1y ago
If you're worried about self driving features, there's always the option of a Comma AI retrofit
nebula8804 1y ago
Are you saying SuperCruise on the Bolt stops working or just that they wont expand existing coverage? This Bolt EUV car drives so damn good. I was very impressed when I drove it. The Bose audio is also quite good. After testing several new cars, I learned that Bose audio is not implemented the same across manufacturers. For example Mazda Premium Bose is just plain mediocre. For the price that you can pay for one, Bolt EUV is an amazing deal. Unfortunately the charge speed is a deal breaker for many. But I never forgot how well it handles. I really hope these cars last, they are a hidden gem and I think a lot wouldnt care about resale value if that charge speed was a bit better.
- com2kid 1y ago
  The audio really is banging. Everything from dubstep to heavy metal to classical it handles as well as any car audio system will (which is to say garbage compared to even a mediocre home audio setup, but all car audio sucks due to acoustics of being in a car going down a road!) Sadly I live in a city now so I can't drive down curvy roads away from everyone, windows down blasting beats anymore. :( (I try to be a responsible asshole! :)
wffurr 1y ago
"driving assist platform is now deprecated and no longer receiving area expansions" What driving assist platform? I don't think the older Chevy Bolts have any such thing. At least I'm pretty sure my 2017 doesn't.

cosmic_cheese 1y ago

I have a lease end coming up and the Bolt/EUV are on my radar, but one significant advantage that Leafs have is that the lower trims can have their head unit swapped out for a nice Pioneer or Sony unit from Crutchfield, just like is possible with many ICE vehicles, which can get you a nicer infotainment experience (including wireless CarPlay/AA) that isn’t encrusted with rent-seeking gunk.

seanmcdirmid 1y ago
> just like is possible with many ICE vehicles Many older ICE vehicles, you mean? EVs aren't really special in their use of custom car-bound head units. BMW XDrive is the same XDrive they have in their EVs as they have in their ICEs. Mandatory backup cams is only going to accelerate that.
- cosmic_cheese 1y ago
  It’s an unfortunate trend. I’m not sure mandatory backup cameras is really a driving cause, though — the bulk of third party head units have backup cam support out of the box and some even let you add a 360° overhead parking view if you’re willing to drill some holes and wire cameras. The biggest reason for non-modular infotainment is to push people into subscription services.
  - seanmcdirmid 1y ago
    The cars hade to come from the factory with backup cams now, then that’s going to open the floodgates to other features where a custom head unit would be useful, since they need one anyways. Unfortunately none of those features are done in a standard way where pioneer or alpine can plug into the car’s bus and somehow manipulate it.
turtlebits 1y ago
The Bolt EV supports Android Auto and Carplay, you can get a ~$30 USB dongle to give you wireless.
jdeibele 1y ago

ddalex 1y ago

> Has around 250m range 250 meters ? but I want to drive off my street....

ta12653421 1y ago
--1

pkulak 1y ago

Well, that's certainly not the cheapest. You can find old Leafs for 5k. People love Bolts, for good reason, and bit them up.

BizarroLand 1y ago
I've seen Leafs for $3k or less. The problem is their battery life is ~10 years max, and replacing the battery costs $5k-$15k. That old leaf may have a 30-50 mile max range. Don't get me wrong, that would still cover 80% of my daily driving needs, but when I need to drive to the big town for work on a moments notice I may not have time to drive home and swap out for my ICE vehicle. I have a pre-order in for the Slate, having 150 miles range would cover 99% of my driving needs, so I am not against EVs, just sharing the awareness that battery degradation is a thing to be concerned about.
- pkulak 1y ago
  > The problem is their battery life is ~10 years max Depends on how you define "life". I think for the Leaf, it's 70% capacity. But even if it gets down to 50%, it'll sill keep driving. Also, what's really annoying, is that every seller factors in tax credits to their price. So that 3k may really be 5k. I'm actually looking forward to that no longer being possible.
- culopatin 1y ago
  My gf had a leaf when she met me and she couldn’t drive back home in one charge. Worked out great for me. The fact that the range is so ass means you HAVE to charge to 100% every single time, and 80 to 100 takes ages. She’d spend 45min charging for 45min of driving.