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Good. Individuals should not be coerced into taking medicines or undergoing a treatment to live in society. That’s too authoritarian and bodily autonomy should

Good. Individuals should not be coerced into taking medicines or undergoing a treatment to live in society. That’s too authoritarian and bodily autonomy should really be a constitutional right. However, the current federal administration is also taking away individual agency by making it so covid boosters need a prescription if you’re under 65. That’s also not okay.

dc396 1y ago
I guess it's just too bad if you're immunocompromised, allergic to vaccines, too young to be vaccinated, in the middle of a virulent, highly transmissible pandemic, etc. -- wouldn't want to protect society from disease ravaged individuals because it might intrude on their "bodily autonomy."
- SilverElfin 1y ago
  People have to manage their own risks. If they don’t want to take on the low risks associated with COVID (and they are low based on numbers), they should limit their own exposure by staying home (as opposed to forcing others to stay home) or wearing masks or whatever. It shouldn’t result in others being compelled to inject things into their body. On a personal level, I do agree it is logical and also nice to be vaccinated. But keep in mind, vaccination means something different now. You are not immune to covid and you are still able to transmit it to others. The chances may be lower - but we’re already talking about something that has a low chance of causing serious health issues. So if someone is truly concerned about their health, whether society is vaccinated or not doesn’t matter - they would need to stay home regardless. In which case, why force others to get vaccinated?
  - allturtles 1y ago
    This news is about the elimination of childhood vaccine mandates - measles, mumps, rubella, hepatitis, chicken pox, polio, etc. It has nothing to do with COVID.
  - cwillu 1y ago
    I'd be fine with that if the unvaccinated were required to carry liability insurance and there was a strong system capable of investigation and enforcement against people responsible for outbreaks, but they're not, so fuck 'em.
BugsJustFindMe 1y ago
> Individuals should not ... to live in society This demonstrates an extreme lack of awareness of what it means to be part of a society. Have you really never thought about the fact that societies are entirely built out of small near-term individual sacrifices for persistent collective benefit?
- Smeevy 1y ago
  As Cicero said, "We are slaves of the law so that we may be free." I'm not being sarcastic or anything here. Accepting a few limitations on the theoretical extents of my personal freedom so that I can exist and not worry about being murdered for my possessions on a minute-by-minute basis seems like a pretty good deal.
add-sub-mul-div 1y ago
The whole thing about society is that it's what you get when you receive benefits greater than you could achieve as an individual, in exchange for following rules and norms that create stability and benefits at the society level. If you want the absolute freedom of living with communicable diseases, that's a living in a cave by yourself lifestyle. That's not society.
- cindyllm 1y ago
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- Smeevy 1y ago
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watwut 1y ago
This is about kids. Yes, adults can make medical decisions for kids. Negligent or irresponsible parents are exactly that and larger society should protect the kids.

dc396 1y ago

I guess it's just too bad if you're immunocompromised, allergic to vaccines, too young to be vaccinated, in the middle of a virulent, highly transmissible pandemic, etc. -- wouldn't want to protect society from disease ravaged individuals because it might intrude on their "bodily autonomy."

SilverElfin 1y ago
People have to manage their own risks. If they don’t want to take on the low risks associated with COVID (and they are low based on numbers), they should limit their own exposure by staying home (as opposed to forcing others to stay home) or wearing masks or whatever. It shouldn’t result in others being compelled to inject things into their body. On a personal level, I do agree it is logical and also nice to be vaccinated. But keep in mind, vaccination means something different now. You are not immune to covid and you are still able to transmit it to others. The chances may be lower - but we’re already talking about something that has a low chance of causing serious health issues. So if someone is truly concerned about their health, whether society is vaccinated or not doesn’t matter - they would need to stay home regardless. In which case, why force others to get vaccinated?
- allturtles 1y ago
  This news is about the elimination of childhood vaccine mandates - measles, mumps, rubella, hepatitis, chicken pox, polio, etc. It has nothing to do with COVID.
- cwillu 1y ago
  I'd be fine with that if the unvaccinated were required to carry liability insurance and there was a strong system capable of investigation and enforcement against people responsible for outbreaks, but they're not, so fuck 'em.

BugsJustFindMe 1y ago

> Individuals should not ... to live in society This demonstrates an extreme lack of awareness of what it means to be part of a society. Have you really never thought about the fact that societies are entirely built out of small near-term individual sacrifices for persistent collective benefit?

Smeevy 1y ago
As Cicero said, "We are slaves of the law so that we may be free." I'm not being sarcastic or anything here. Accepting a few limitations on the theoretical extents of my personal freedom so that I can exist and not worry about being murdered for my possessions on a minute-by-minute basis seems like a pretty good deal.

add-sub-mul-div 1y ago

The whole thing about society is that it's what you get when you receive benefits greater than you could achieve as an individual, in exchange for following rules and norms that create stability and benefits at the society level. If you want the absolute freedom of living with communicable diseases, that's a living in a cave by yourself lifestyle. That's not society.

cindyllm 1y ago
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Smeevy 1y ago
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watwut 1y ago

This is about kids. Yes, adults can make medical decisions for kids. Negligent or irresponsible parents are exactly that and larger society should protect the kids.