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> So, we are paying an extremely high cost for letting God go on with His Slow Tormentous Cooking of Souls before Consumption, and things are only going to get

> So, we are paying an extremely high cost for letting God go on with His Slow Tormentous Cooking of Souls before Consumption, and things are only going to get worse, given the demographic expectations. Wouldn’t it make sense to put a big chunk of budget into creating life-extension tech? It's controversial, but I think it would be tremendously beneficial to our society if we accepted that death is (currently) inevitable and that past some point, assisted suicide is a lot better than artificially prolonging suffering at great cost for as long as possible.

DoctorOetker 1y ago
But then how would you justify the healthcare racket?
- baq 1y ago
  Ah, the good old ‘your medical bill is my dividend’ retirement plan.
A_D_E_P_T 1y ago
> assisted suicide is a lot better than artificially prolonging suffering at great cost for as long as possible. I beseech you to contemplate how badly this might be abused, and how monstrous the consequences could be. Even now MAID in Canada and other forms of assisted suicide in Europe have arguably gone way too far.
- okr 1y ago
  It is my life. Not yours. What you are afraid of is openly murdering people.
  - A_D_E_P_T 1y ago
    There are lots of ways for you to end your life. You do not have to involve government or society. You do not require sanction or assistance. The only people who might require assistance and sanction are those who are so catastrophically ill that they cannot function independently at all. But MAID has already killed people who were able-bodied! (And some for stupid or trivial reasons: https://care.org.uk/news/2024/10/poor-lonely-and-homeless-opting-for-assisted-death-in-canada https://care.org.uk/news/2024/10/poor-lonely-and-homeless-op... )
    - slickytail 1y ago
      Traditional suicide is incredibly stigmatized; ending one's life manually is a huge trauma to place on loved ones. The benefit of MAID is that it's dignified, and won't leave families searching for answers after a death.
    - dambi0 1y ago
      The article you shared mentions a report and a committee that analyzed the report. You don’t happen to have any further details on those do you? I couldn’t immediately find the details in the article
    - seszett 1y ago
      > There are lots of ways for you to end your life. You do not have to involve government or society. You do not require sanction or assistance. By the time you think suicide is the better option, you are often already in a managed and locked down environment in which it is difficult to impossible to commit suicide in an acceptable manner. Believe me I know it.
      - swat535 1y ago
        "Suicide in an acceptable manner" sounds as like an oxymoron. Why would you care that it's "acceptable" by society which you will no longer take part of ? If your concern is pain, then perhaps that is your mind telling you NOT to end your life and seek therapy instead. Assisted suicide only makes sense in situations where the person is in extreme chronic pain and no palliative care or treatment can be provided, which is rather rare. We should not be encouraging or celebrating suicide, it takes away innocent lives, especially younger ones. If you ask the survivors, many of them are glad they didn't go through with it.
        seszett 1y ago
        Acceptable by the person who wants to die. That usually means not too painful, and not causing more stress than necessary to the persons you care about. Wanting to avoid pain is very much not a reason to seek therapy, what an absurd thought.
- Vinnl 1y ago
  I'm not familiar with MAID, but AFAIK I live in the European country with the most liberal euthanasia policy, and hardly anyone here thinks it's gone too far, let alone way too far.
  - mannycalavera42 1y ago
    This! Eurovision has prepared us for this moment of unity: Knuckles-Knuckles
a_imho 1y ago
It's controversial, but I think it would be tremendously beneficial to our society if we accepted that death is (currently) inevitable and that past some point, assisted suicide is a lot better than artificially prolonging suffering at great cost for as long as possible. I hold the opposite view on this issue. While I firmly believe that everyone should have the freedom to make their own choices about their lives, my primary concern is that certain groups and especially governments are actively promoting assisted suicide. Even if it's merely coincidental, I find the underlying incentives perverse, for lack of a better word. Admittedly drawing from a Hollywood sci-fi perspective, I would much prefer that, instead of programs like MAID, people were offered options such as cryopreservation.
- ceejayoz 1y ago
  > I would much prefer that, instead of programs like MAID, people were offered options such as cryopreservation. That's just assisted suicide with extra steps.
segmondy 1y ago
How do you stop forced assisted suicide or do you think it will never happen?

DoctorOetker 1y ago

But then how would you justify the healthcare racket?

baq 1y ago
Ah, the good old ‘your medical bill is my dividend’ retirement plan.

A_D_E_P_T 1y ago

> assisted suicide is a lot better than artificially prolonging suffering at great cost for as long as possible. I beseech you to contemplate how badly this might be abused, and how monstrous the consequences could be. Even now MAID in Canada and other forms of assisted suicide in Europe have arguably gone way too far.

okr 1y ago
It is my life. Not yours. What you are afraid of is openly murdering people.
- A_D_E_P_T 1y ago
  There are lots of ways for you to end your life. You do not have to involve government or society. You do not require sanction or assistance. The only people who might require assistance and sanction are those who are so catastrophically ill that they cannot function independently at all. But MAID has already killed people who were able-bodied! (And some for stupid or trivial reasons: https://care.org.uk/news/2024/10/poor-lonely-and-homeless-opting-for-assisted-death-in-canada https://care.org.uk/news/2024/10/poor-lonely-and-homeless-op... )
  - slickytail 1y ago
    Traditional suicide is incredibly stigmatized; ending one's life manually is a huge trauma to place on loved ones. The benefit of MAID is that it's dignified, and won't leave families searching for answers after a death.
  - dambi0 1y ago
    The article you shared mentions a report and a committee that analyzed the report. You don’t happen to have any further details on those do you? I couldn’t immediately find the details in the article
  - seszett 1y ago
    > There are lots of ways for you to end your life. You do not have to involve government or society. You do not require sanction or assistance. By the time you think suicide is the better option, you are often already in a managed and locked down environment in which it is difficult to impossible to commit suicide in an acceptable manner. Believe me I know it.
    - swat535 1y ago
      "Suicide in an acceptable manner" sounds as like an oxymoron. Why would you care that it's "acceptable" by society which you will no longer take part of ? If your concern is pain, then perhaps that is your mind telling you NOT to end your life and seek therapy instead. Assisted suicide only makes sense in situations where the person is in extreme chronic pain and no palliative care or treatment can be provided, which is rather rare. We should not be encouraging or celebrating suicide, it takes away innocent lives, especially younger ones. If you ask the survivors, many of them are glad they didn't go through with it.
      - seszett 1y ago
        Acceptable by the person who wants to die. That usually means not too painful, and not causing more stress than necessary to the persons you care about. Wanting to avoid pain is very much not a reason to seek therapy, what an absurd thought.
Vinnl 1y ago
I'm not familiar with MAID, but AFAIK I live in the European country with the most liberal euthanasia policy, and hardly anyone here thinks it's gone too far, let alone way too far.
- mannycalavera42 1y ago
  This! Eurovision has prepared us for this moment of unity: Knuckles-Knuckles

a_imho 1y ago

It's controversial, but I think it would be tremendously beneficial to our society if we accepted that death is (currently) inevitable and that past some point, assisted suicide is a lot better than artificially prolonging suffering at great cost for as long as possible. I hold the opposite view on this issue. While I firmly believe that everyone should have the freedom to make their own choices about their lives, my primary concern is that certain groups and especially governments are actively promoting assisted suicide. Even if it's merely coincidental, I find the underlying incentives perverse, for lack of a better word. Admittedly drawing from a Hollywood sci-fi perspective, I would much prefer that, instead of programs like MAID, people were offered options such as cryopreservation.

ceejayoz 1y ago
> I would much prefer that, instead of programs like MAID, people were offered options such as cryopreservation. That's just assisted suicide with extra steps.

segmondy 1y ago

How do you stop forced assisted suicide or do you think it will never happen?