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at this point i'm not mad the democrats are doing propaganda i'm just offended at how shit they are at it. The republicans brainwashed half the country and over

by Jgoauh 1y ago

at this point i'm not mad the democrats are doing propaganda i'm just offended at how shit they are at it. The republicans brainwashed half the country and overturned the constitution with 4 podcast bros and a dream and the democrats are busy trying to kick their most popular members out of the party.

ZeroGravitas 1y ago
Republican "wingnut welfare" has funded many household names and internet famous cranks over decades so it's misleading to suggest it's only 4 podcasters and they did it without literal billions in funding.
- Jgoauh 1y ago
  yeah i know, but still their ratio of influence/crank/dollar is impressive, i was mostly referencing the effectiveness of their male gen-z oriented content.
ses1984 1y ago
Are we forgetting fox news, rush limbaugh...?
- Jgoauh 1y ago
  i don't think the ven diagram between people who watch tiktoks and rush limbaugh has much overlap. I think the republicans strategy towards social media platforms is extremely effective (sadly)
  - nonethewiser 1y ago
    Or maybe a consolidated media industry is just not representative of what people actually believe.
    - Jgoauh 1y ago
      well i believe media definitle affects what people believe, of course it only works to a limit, but i don't think a single person should own multiple media outlets. You gotta choose, you get 1 thing, that's it
      - slipperydippery 1y ago
        We used to limit local market monopolization and total reach of, at least, public airwaves broadcasters. That was a good idea. But we stopped.
      - nonethewiser 1y ago
        Seems to be working itself out. Mainstream, traditional, legacy, or whatever you want to call it, is losing their audience.
  - Cyberdog 1y ago
    Yes, given that Limbaugh has not produced new content in four years due to his death, there would be no overlap nowadays.
Ekaros 1y ago
I never understood how they think they can win anyone over by antagonising them. Especially those who are not rich and affluent enough to be okay who ever wins...
- Jgoauh 1y ago
  i know ! its so stupid, all they have to do is ask people what they want and give it to them, but they can't piss of billionaires so they're stuck with 'its not our fault' and 'minorities can hang as long as they work' The republicans only ask billionaires what they want, politics are so much easier when your entire party is focused on the interests of like 1000 guys
jmclnx 1y ago
Need to keep the donations from the top 1% flowing. What is needed is a repeal of Citizens United. Plus if your income is above sat 150,000 USD you can at most donate say 10000 per year to all political candidates, PACs and anything related to influencing political activities. Or better yet, all these donations must be fully published with the name of the people or all companies related to the company donating. No dark money at all. The published list must be in plain language and downloadable as a plain Text File.
- Jgoauh 1y ago
  In many countries an individual cannot donate more than about 10k dollars per year, and companies can't donate anything.
slipperydippery 1y ago
The current far-right effort started with the postwar "think tank" boom, and that crowd has been working (successfully) to bend policy and law so they can enable and guide the creation of massive right-wing propaganda networks since the 70s. Fox News, Sinclair Media, a handful of dominant AM radio and now podcast production & distribution networks, and so on. This isn't recent; we've been heading this way for decades, and not by accident.
- Jgoauh 1y ago
  absolutly but i think a big percentage of the young Rep votes have been entirely endoctrinated by a handfull of social media voices who would have hated the traditionnal rep propaganda. I wonder how american politics would look today without the 3 idiots and their friends
aaron695 1y ago
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mindslight 1y ago
They answer is that they're both funded by and held hostage by entrenched corporate interests. The Democrats in safe blue states are allowed to say and propose whatever lofty reforms they'd like (more fuel for the fire), but when it comes time to vote on a bill, the "moderates" in purple states fall in line to kill it and/or add enough loopholes and pork that the reforms end up pretty hollow. They're also fully supported when they ham up the identity politics and other divisive topics that encourage the plebs to fight one another. The voting public gets tired of the squabbling and seeing the constructive type of reform fail, and switches its attention to the other professional party. The "reforms" then put forth by Republicans are all about getting rid of restrictions on corporate interests, appealing to a fallacy that restrictions on corpos are akin to restrictions on individuals (from the same vein as Steinbeck's "temporarily embarrassed millionaires"). When the Republicans get the green light, it's then full speed ahead for sidelining the US government in favor of unaccountable corporate power - as we've seen demonstrated in stark relief with Trump. People will then slowly realize they've been had, and support for Democrats will grow. But any attempt to rebuild what got destroyed then fails (the original dynamic), and the cycle repeats.
_DeadFred_ 1y ago
Don't forget Tennent media and secret Russian funding for conservative bloggers.

by Jgoauh 1y ago

ZeroGravitas 1y ago

Republican "wingnut welfare" has funded many household names and internet famous cranks over decades so it's misleading to suggest it's only 4 podcasters and they did it without literal billions in funding.

Jgoauh 1y ago
yeah i know, but still their ratio of influence/crank/dollar is impressive, i was mostly referencing the effectiveness of their male gen-z oriented content.

ses1984 1y ago

Are we forgetting fox news, rush limbaugh...?

Jgoauh 1y ago
i don't think the ven diagram between people who watch tiktoks and rush limbaugh has much overlap. I think the republicans strategy towards social media platforms is extremely effective (sadly)
- nonethewiser 1y ago
  Or maybe a consolidated media industry is just not representative of what people actually believe.
  - Jgoauh 1y ago
    well i believe media definitle affects what people believe, of course it only works to a limit, but i don't think a single person should own multiple media outlets. You gotta choose, you get 1 thing, that's it
    - slipperydippery 1y ago
      We used to limit local market monopolization and total reach of, at least, public airwaves broadcasters. That was a good idea. But we stopped.
    - nonethewiser 1y ago
      Seems to be working itself out. Mainstream, traditional, legacy, or whatever you want to call it, is losing their audience.
- Cyberdog 1y ago
  Yes, given that Limbaugh has not produced new content in four years due to his death, there would be no overlap nowadays.

Ekaros 1y ago

I never understood how they think they can win anyone over by antagonising them. Especially those who are not rich and affluent enough to be okay who ever wins...

Jgoauh 1y ago
i know ! its so stupid, all they have to do is ask people what they want and give it to them, but they can't piss of billionaires so they're stuck with 'its not our fault' and 'minorities can hang as long as they work' The republicans only ask billionaires what they want, politics are so much easier when your entire party is focused on the interests of like 1000 guys

jmclnx 1y ago

Need to keep the donations from the top 1% flowing. What is needed is a repeal of Citizens United. Plus if your income is above sat 150,000 USD you can at most donate say 10000 per year to all political candidates, PACs and anything related to influencing political activities. Or better yet, all these donations must be fully published with the name of the people or all companies related to the company donating. No dark money at all. The published list must be in plain language and downloadable as a plain Text File.

Jgoauh 1y ago
In many countries an individual cannot donate more than about 10k dollars per year, and companies can't donate anything.

slipperydippery 1y ago

The current far-right effort started with the postwar "think tank" boom, and that crowd has been working (successfully) to bend policy and law so they can enable and guide the creation of massive right-wing propaganda networks since the 70s. Fox News, Sinclair Media, a handful of dominant AM radio and now podcast production & distribution networks, and so on. This isn't recent; we've been heading this way for decades, and not by accident.

Jgoauh 1y ago
absolutly but i think a big percentage of the young Rep votes have been entirely endoctrinated by a handfull of social media voices who would have hated the traditionnal rep propaganda. I wonder how american politics would look today without the 3 idiots and their friends

aaron695 1y ago

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mindslight 1y ago

They answer is that they're both funded by and held hostage by entrenched corporate interests. The Democrats in safe blue states are allowed to say and propose whatever lofty reforms they'd like (more fuel for the fire), but when it comes time to vote on a bill, the "moderates" in purple states fall in line to kill it and/or add enough loopholes and pork that the reforms end up pretty hollow. They're also fully supported when they ham up the identity politics and other divisive topics that encourage the plebs to fight one another. The voting public gets tired of the squabbling and seeing the constructive type of reform fail, and switches its attention to the other professional party. The "reforms" then put forth by Republicans are all about getting rid of restrictions on corporate interests, appealing to a fallacy that restrictions on corpos are akin to restrictions on individuals (from the same vein as Steinbeck's "temporarily embarrassed millionaires"). When the Republicans get the green light, it's then full speed ahead for sidelining the US government in favor of unaccountable corporate power - as we've seen demonstrated in stark relief with Trump. People will then slowly realize they've been had, and support for Democrats will grow. But any attempt to rebuild what got destroyed then fails (the original dynamic), and the cycle repeats.

_DeadFred_ 1y ago

Don't forget Tennent media and secret Russian funding for conservative bloggers.