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> In fact, the AAP recommendations include some extremely questionable vaccines for children in the USA, such as Mpox and Dengue. Filtering for duplicates, I co

> In fact, the AAP recommendations include some extremely questionable vaccines for children in the USA, such as Mpox and Dengue. Filtering for duplicates, I count 19 recommended vaccines for children in the AAP document, vs. 10 for the WHO. Having read the AAP's schedule: the recommendations are Mpox and Dengue are only for populations at risk, and not necessarily infants: e.g. Mpox is indicated for individuals 18+ and at risk; Dengue is indicated for ages 9-16 in areas with endemic Dengue and with history of prior infection.

timr 1y ago
Neither recommendation is in the WHO document for good reasons. Mpox isn't endemic in the USA, and children under 18 were never a risk group here even during the outbreaks a year or two ago. This is purely political. The Dengue vaccine is...not very good, and has serious interactions with the virus itself. Getting the Dengue vaccine before you get Dengue can put you in the hospital. Even suggesting that this should be on a document of "recommended" vaccinations is, quite frankly, stupid [1]. I recognize that the AAP puts asterisks on these things, but the point is that there are big differences between the schedules, and you can't just put blind faith in their recommendations because you've decided that the CDC is anti-science. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/dengue/hcp/vaccine/eligibility.html https://www.cdc.gov/dengue/hcp/vaccine/eligibility.html
- magicalist 1y ago
  > Getting the Dengue vaccine before you get Dengue can put you in the hospital They literally list a positive blood test for previous Dengue infections as one of the requirements for getting the vaccine, in the document you're looking at. Please stop spouting bullshit while desperately searching for something to latch on to.
  - timr 1y ago
    Nothing I wrote is incorrect.
    - orwin 1y ago
      That's a 'i'm just asking questions' move here, you clearly implied the AAP recommended the Dengue vaccine to be used in a dangerous way. Also, you wrote that Mpox was among vaccines recommended to children. The 18+ indicated in the document means you're incorrect, unless for you, people are children until 21.
- nxobject 1y ago
  > Mpox isn't endemic in the USA, and children under 18 were never a risk group > The Dengue vaccine is...not very good, and has serious interactions with the virus itself. Getting the Dengue vaccine before you get Dengue can put you in the hospital. The "asterisks" contradict what you're saying: one of the Dengue recommendation's conditions are people who have diagnostic confirmation of a previous Dengue infection (endemic areas include Puerto Rico and American territories in the Pacific); Mpox is recommended for people over 18 (minimum age) which meet a series of risk factors primarily concerning being men-having-sex-with-men plus other conditions. Seemingly having found more in the recommendations than you have, it seems to me the AAP's recommendations are complementary, rather than contradictory, save the recommendation for COVID-19 vaccination.
  - timr 1y ago
    > Having read marginally more than you have, it seems to me the AAP's recommendations are complementary, rather than contradictory, save the recommendation for COVID-19 vaccination. I mean...they're recommending a lot more vaccines in general, so I guess you can frame that as "complimentary", but the WHO document also has a number that are not on the AAP list: https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/immunization/immunization_schedules/table_2_january_2025_web_english.pdf?sfvrsn=c10d5c2_6&download=true https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/immunization/i... Everyone is fixating on Dengue and Mpox because they think they know something about them, but just in the core set, there at least 9 major differences between the schedules: Hep A, Flu, Meningococcal, Covid, RSV, BCG (TB), Dengue and Mpox.

timr 1y ago

Neither recommendation is in the WHO document for good reasons. Mpox isn't endemic in the USA, and children under 18 were never a risk group here even during the outbreaks a year or two ago. This is purely political. The Dengue vaccine is...not very good, and has serious interactions with the virus itself. Getting the Dengue vaccine before you get Dengue can put you in the hospital. Even suggesting that this should be on a document of "recommended" vaccinations is, quite frankly, stupid [1]. I recognize that the AAP puts asterisks on these things, but the point is that there are big differences between the schedules, and you can't just put blind faith in their recommendations because you've decided that the CDC is anti-science. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/dengue/hcp/vaccine/eligibility.html https://www.cdc.gov/dengue/hcp/vaccine/eligibility.html

magicalist 1y ago
> Getting the Dengue vaccine before you get Dengue can put you in the hospital They literally list a positive blood test for previous Dengue infections as one of the requirements for getting the vaccine, in the document you're looking at. Please stop spouting bullshit while desperately searching for something to latch on to.
- timr 1y ago
  Nothing I wrote is incorrect.
  - orwin 1y ago
    That's a 'i'm just asking questions' move here, you clearly implied the AAP recommended the Dengue vaccine to be used in a dangerous way. Also, you wrote that Mpox was among vaccines recommended to children. The 18+ indicated in the document means you're incorrect, unless for you, people are children until 21.
nxobject 1y ago
> Mpox isn't endemic in the USA, and children under 18 were never a risk group > The Dengue vaccine is...not very good, and has serious interactions with the virus itself. Getting the Dengue vaccine before you get Dengue can put you in the hospital. The "asterisks" contradict what you're saying: one of the Dengue recommendation's conditions are people who have diagnostic confirmation of a previous Dengue infection (endemic areas include Puerto Rico and American territories in the Pacific); Mpox is recommended for people over 18 (minimum age) which meet a series of risk factors primarily concerning being men-having-sex-with-men plus other conditions. Seemingly having found more in the recommendations than you have, it seems to me the AAP's recommendations are complementary, rather than contradictory, save the recommendation for COVID-19 vaccination.
- timr 1y ago
  > Having read marginally more than you have, it seems to me the AAP's recommendations are complementary, rather than contradictory, save the recommendation for COVID-19 vaccination. I mean...they're recommending a lot more vaccines in general, so I guess you can frame that as "complimentary", but the WHO document also has a number that are not on the AAP list: https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/immunization/immunization_schedules/table_2_january_2025_web_english.pdf?sfvrsn=c10d5c2_6&download=true https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/immunization/i... Everyone is fixating on Dengue and Mpox because they think they know something about them, but just in the core set, there at least 9 major differences between the schedules: Hep A, Flu, Meningococcal, Covid, RSV, BCG (TB), Dengue and Mpox.