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burnerRhodo 1y ago
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- mindslight 1y ago
  Creating and exacerbating a whole host of problems with some idea that an AI-God will then rescue us isn't "impressive" - it's mentally ill. These are the same types of people from the articles about LLM psychosis, except these people are in positions of power so we all get to suffer their delusions. Except for Trump himself who is closer to being the LLM side of the dynamic.
  - burnerRhodo 1y ago
    I mean... Us humans have done that countless times in history. Cannons, Tanks, Nukes, Space... One thing history proves is that if one side can develop a next gen weapon that you can't defend against, your civilization ceases to exist. Every single one of those advancements caused more problems than they solved. We don't need AGI for "AI" to be more dangerous. Just some kind of super trojan would do.
    - mindslight 1y ago
      It seems like you're still assuming an AI-God, in the form of a supremely-powerful weapon. As it stands, the genAI capabilities of the US and China seem relatively on par. So it's not clear that incremental gains necessitate throwing everything possible at this one thing.
- breakyerself 1y ago
  When it comes to energy the efficiency of a generation system is pretty much meaningless metric. Price per kilowatt hour is what rules the roost. Renewables particularly solar have become the cheapest form of electricity in history. This is driving demand for storage which is driving exponential cost reductions in that field as well. Grid scale renewable + storage installations are now becoming competitive with natural gas. Coal is an obsolete energy source. That people in this administration are trying to weelend at Bernie's this corpse of an industry gives me serious doubts about the praise you lap on them.
- tzs 1y ago
  > This is only for federal lands, which correctly falls under the interior. They have a specific amount of land to give out, they want the energy projects on that land the have the highest impact. This is very Elon thinking to solve the current crisis. Helps solve the energy problem, while getting the most kwh produces per parcel of land given out. That's clearly complete bullshit because for most places where someone wants to build a solar or wind project the alternative if the solar or wind plant is not approved is not a coal, gas, or nuclear plant. The alternative is no plant.
- actuallyalys 1y ago
  As far as I can tell, coal is middle of the pack in terms of energy efficiency [0] and less than half of the energy is captured as electricity, which doesn’t seem particularly incredible in relative or absolute terms. Although comparing fossil fuel efficiency to renewable energy efficiency is a bit odd in one sense because while you’re technically wasting energy with renewables, there will always be more tomorrow, at least on human time scales. [0]: https://www.pcienergysolutions.com/2023/04/17/power-plant-efficiency-coal-natural-gas-nuclear-and-more/ https://www.pcienergysolutions.com/2023/04/17/power-plant-ef...
- tonmoy 1y ago
  > This cabinet is one of the most impressive on paper cabinet i've ever seen How can I be on you side since said this without any source. I had to spend 15 minutes going through each of the cabinet members profile (and the ones in previous presidencies). While there are a few people with good experience in the present cabinet, majority of the members don't seemed to have any experience for the job they where hired for
thelastgallon 1y ago
I think the administration's energy density should be extended for all things. Lets take transportation: Can't use federal lands, waterways, airspace or highways unless the airplanes, trains, ships, trucks and cars are powered by the highest energy density (nuclear). Also, anything that uses airwaves: So, nuclear powered phones, watches, airtags. This would be the biggest breakthrough for humanity. We have nuclear powered submarines but miniaturization of nuclear stalled since then.
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- nickff 1y ago
  Nuclear submarines were developed at about the same time as civil nuclear power plants (and you could actually argue they were developed earlier or reached maturity earlier). Nuclear submarine power was a sort of ‘killer app’ for nuclear power, rather than a derivative of civil nuclear power stations.
- jijijijij 1y ago
  This. Nobody is free, until everybody got a thermonuclear warhead. I love the way cars explode in Fallout. I mean, random car crashes have historically been the epitome of excitement, 4k war footage made me pretty indifferent towards bloody windshields and burnt out station wagons. I really think, the intensity of an unexpected fission event projecting its authority through my eyelids could make me feel something again.
- jauntywundrkind 1y ago
  Looking forward to the DoT getting in on this. Cars have to go! Busses trains and bikes only! No other mode of transit can be funded, not dense enough!
  - xethos 1y ago
    Careful what you wish for, Ford has played with the idea at least once before. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Nucleon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Nucleon
gritzko 1y ago
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- _DeadFred_ 1y ago
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  - appease7727 1y ago
    Other nations comparable in wealth and power to the US have figured out how to build out green energy at scale. The US wants to pretend that is completely impossible and we should keep burning fossil fuels instead. Please learn some critical reading skills.
    - voidfunc 1y ago
      We know how to build green energy at scale. Were not doing it because its politically undesirable to a chunk of the country and the fossil fuel industry.
      - Teever 1y ago
        Then you don't know how to do it. Knowing how to do something doesn't meanings knowing how to get it done. Which means convincing the right people to get it done. If that isn't happening you don't know what you're doing.
        _DeadFred_ 1y ago
        So once I release a product and go into maintenance mode I no longer know how to release products?
    - _DeadFred_ 1y ago
      Uncalled for attack. I don't think nationalism should be re-enforced even for 'ends I like'. I think it's better to convince people to do something on the merits. So I asked if there was a reason to push 'but China' and if you look below, someone gave me that. Which is what makes HN powerful and worth visiting. Attacks, not so much.
gosub100 1y ago
Meanwhile California is shutting down dams and nuclear plants.
- pstuart 1y ago
  The last shutdown of a reactor in CA was 2013 -- https://www.eia.gov/nuclear/reactors/shutdown/ https://www.eia.gov/nuclear/reactors/shutdown/ Diablo Canyon got a reprieve and has 5 more years to go. Dam removals have multiple factors behind them, from pure economics (cheaper to remove than repair) to environmental -- restoring fisheries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dam_removals_in_California https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dam_removals_in_Califo... We need all the non-carbon power we can get, and it's a shame to remove existing power sources but as electric power is eminently fungible, that loss can be mitigated with other sources. Meanwhile, efforts to modernize the US electric grid have been stalled by Red states that are ideologically opposed to renewable power. There's plenty of potential power to be generated that is hamstrung by that resistance (pun intended).
  - dghlsakjg 1y ago
    The other thing that people forget is that dams, in almost all cases, have a finite lifespan. Both the engineering and (mostly) the silt buildup mean that every dam eventually has to come down or otherwise be involved in a massive infrastructure project rivaling the cost and complexity of building a new dam.
    - peepeepoopoo140 1y ago
      Silt buildup is a trope that often gets repeated as a reason for tearing down dams, but it has no effect on power output. Generating capacity is determined by vertical pressure head, i.e. how far the water drops as it passes the dam, and not by how much water is held by the reservoir. It's factually incorrect to say that silt buildup causes a decrease in generating capacity.
      - eszed 1y ago
aussieguy1234 1y ago
Authoritarian rulers favour loyalty over competence, so it makes sense. This means that you will have people in positions who are incompetent and shouldn't be there.
know-how 1y ago
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Slava_Propanei 1y ago
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frankohn 1y ago
Very sad. The Trump's party should not be called MAGA but MALR, Make America Like Russia. They are doing mighty good progress in that direction.

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burnerRhodo 1y ago

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mindslight 1y ago
Creating and exacerbating a whole host of problems with some idea that an AI-God will then rescue us isn't "impressive" - it's mentally ill. These are the same types of people from the articles about LLM psychosis, except these people are in positions of power so we all get to suffer their delusions. Except for Trump himself who is closer to being the LLM side of the dynamic.
- burnerRhodo 1y ago
  I mean... Us humans have done that countless times in history. Cannons, Tanks, Nukes, Space... One thing history proves is that if one side can develop a next gen weapon that you can't defend against, your civilization ceases to exist. Every single one of those advancements caused more problems than they solved. We don't need AGI for "AI" to be more dangerous. Just some kind of super trojan would do.
  - mindslight 1y ago
    It seems like you're still assuming an AI-God, in the form of a supremely-powerful weapon. As it stands, the genAI capabilities of the US and China seem relatively on par. So it's not clear that incremental gains necessitate throwing everything possible at this one thing.
breakyerself 1y ago
When it comes to energy the efficiency of a generation system is pretty much meaningless metric. Price per kilowatt hour is what rules the roost. Renewables particularly solar have become the cheapest form of electricity in history. This is driving demand for storage which is driving exponential cost reductions in that field as well. Grid scale renewable + storage installations are now becoming competitive with natural gas. Coal is an obsolete energy source. That people in this administration are trying to weelend at Bernie's this corpse of an industry gives me serious doubts about the praise you lap on them.
tzs 1y ago
> This is only for federal lands, which correctly falls under the interior. They have a specific amount of land to give out, they want the energy projects on that land the have the highest impact. This is very Elon thinking to solve the current crisis. Helps solve the energy problem, while getting the most kwh produces per parcel of land given out. That's clearly complete bullshit because for most places where someone wants to build a solar or wind project the alternative if the solar or wind plant is not approved is not a coal, gas, or nuclear plant. The alternative is no plant.
actuallyalys 1y ago
As far as I can tell, coal is middle of the pack in terms of energy efficiency [0] and less than half of the energy is captured as electricity, which doesn’t seem particularly incredible in relative or absolute terms. Although comparing fossil fuel efficiency to renewable energy efficiency is a bit odd in one sense because while you’re technically wasting energy with renewables, there will always be more tomorrow, at least on human time scales. [0]: https://www.pcienergysolutions.com/2023/04/17/power-plant-efficiency-coal-natural-gas-nuclear-and-more/ https://www.pcienergysolutions.com/2023/04/17/power-plant-ef...
tonmoy 1y ago
> This cabinet is one of the most impressive on paper cabinet i've ever seen How can I be on you side since said this without any source. I had to spend 15 minutes going through each of the cabinet members profile (and the ones in previous presidencies). While there are a few people with good experience in the present cabinet, majority of the members don't seemed to have any experience for the job they where hired for

thelastgallon 1y ago

I think the administration's energy density should be extended for all things. Lets take transportation: Can't use federal lands, waterways, airspace or highways unless the airplanes, trains, ships, trucks and cars are powered by the highest energy density (nuclear). Also, anything that uses airwaves: So, nuclear powered phones, watches, airtags. This would be the biggest breakthrough for humanity. We have nuclear powered submarines but miniaturization of nuclear stalled since then.

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nickff 1y ago
Nuclear submarines were developed at about the same time as civil nuclear power plants (and you could actually argue they were developed earlier or reached maturity earlier). Nuclear submarine power was a sort of ‘killer app’ for nuclear power, rather than a derivative of civil nuclear power stations.
jijijijij 1y ago
This. Nobody is free, until everybody got a thermonuclear warhead. I love the way cars explode in Fallout. I mean, random car crashes have historically been the epitome of excitement, 4k war footage made me pretty indifferent towards bloody windshields and burnt out station wagons. I really think, the intensity of an unexpected fission event projecting its authority through my eyelids could make me feel something again.
jauntywundrkind 1y ago
Looking forward to the DoT getting in on this. Cars have to go! Busses trains and bikes only! No other mode of transit can be funded, not dense enough!
- xethos 1y ago
  Careful what you wish for, Ford has played with the idea at least once before. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Nucleon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Nucleon

gritzko 1y ago

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_DeadFred_ 1y ago
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- appease7727 1y ago
  Other nations comparable in wealth and power to the US have figured out how to build out green energy at scale. The US wants to pretend that is completely impossible and we should keep burning fossil fuels instead. Please learn some critical reading skills.
  - voidfunc 1y ago
    We know how to build green energy at scale. Were not doing it because its politically undesirable to a chunk of the country and the fossil fuel industry.
    - Teever 1y ago
      Then you don't know how to do it. Knowing how to do something doesn't meanings knowing how to get it done. Which means convincing the right people to get it done. If that isn't happening you don't know what you're doing.
      - _DeadFred_ 1y ago
        So once I release a product and go into maintenance mode I no longer know how to release products?
  - _DeadFred_ 1y ago
    Uncalled for attack. I don't think nationalism should be re-enforced even for 'ends I like'. I think it's better to convince people to do something on the merits. So I asked if there was a reason to push 'but China' and if you look below, someone gave me that. Which is what makes HN powerful and worth visiting. Attacks, not so much.

gosub100 1y ago

Meanwhile California is shutting down dams and nuclear plants.

pstuart 1y ago
The last shutdown of a reactor in CA was 2013 -- https://www.eia.gov/nuclear/reactors/shutdown/ https://www.eia.gov/nuclear/reactors/shutdown/ Diablo Canyon got a reprieve and has 5 more years to go. Dam removals have multiple factors behind them, from pure economics (cheaper to remove than repair) to environmental -- restoring fisheries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dam_removals_in_California https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dam_removals_in_Califo... We need all the non-carbon power we can get, and it's a shame to remove existing power sources but as electric power is eminently fungible, that loss can be mitigated with other sources. Meanwhile, efforts to modernize the US electric grid have been stalled by Red states that are ideologically opposed to renewable power. There's plenty of potential power to be generated that is hamstrung by that resistance (pun intended).
- dghlsakjg 1y ago
  The other thing that people forget is that dams, in almost all cases, have a finite lifespan. Both the engineering and (mostly) the silt buildup mean that every dam eventually has to come down or otherwise be involved in a massive infrastructure project rivaling the cost and complexity of building a new dam.
  - peepeepoopoo140 1y ago
    Silt buildup is a trope that often gets repeated as a reason for tearing down dams, but it has no effect on power output. Generating capacity is determined by vertical pressure head, i.e. how far the water drops as it passes the dam, and not by how much water is held by the reservoir. It's factually incorrect to say that silt buildup causes a decrease in generating capacity.
    - eszed 1y ago

aussieguy1234 1y ago

Authoritarian rulers favour loyalty over competence, so it makes sense. This means that you will have people in positions who are incompetent and shouldn't be there.

know-how 1y ago

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Slava_Propanei 1y ago

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frankohn 1y ago

Very sad. The Trump's party should not be called MAGA but MALR, Make America Like Russia. They are doing mighty good progress in that direction.