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> It is an old Pythagorean tradition that sensation or consciousness arises out of the interaction of the immaterial soul and the material body. That “three wor
by ryandv 1y ago
> It is an old Pythagorean tradition that sensation or consciousness arises out of the interaction of the immaterial soul and the material body. That “three world” idea is echoed by Nobel Laureate Roger Penrose in his book “Road to Reality.” He talks about how the material world produces the world of consciousness which produces the world of ideas (including mathematics), which seems to produce the material world…
You see this idea echoed in Hermetic Qabalah as the "Four Worlds" - the world of action & physical materiality, the world of psychology, thought, feeling, & egoic consciousness, the world of creativity, and the world of archetypal abstraction.
The Hermetic influence comes from the assertion that the three immaterial worlds of the "soul" or "mind" (synonyms with the same referent) are in some sense equal to, or at least intertwined with, the material body, in a mutually reciprocal dance: "As above, so below; as below, so above."
For some 20th century texts in this neighbourhood: The Three Initiates' primer on occult studies The Kybalion, Dion Fortune's Mystical Qabalah, and the classic Qabalistic reference: Liber 777 by Crowley (or its updated, more legible version, Liber 776 1/2 by Eshelman). The works of Israel Regardie such as The One Year Manual or The Middle Pillar are also good for grounding occult studies in more psychological or psychotherapeutic language which is a good moderating influence when experimenting with pretty out-there material.
Be careful with the meaning of words in this field.
- elmomle 1y agoAlso reflected in Vedic/Hindu philosophy: conscious experience (cetanā) arises from the interfacing of ātman (the immaterial self / soul) with śarīra (the physical body).
- calebio 1y agoIt's turtles all the way down.
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- unsupp0rted 1y agoWell as long as there are words for it then it’s probably true. It doesn’t actually predict or fix anything, even after thousands of years. But it’s hard enough to pin down that you can’t disprove any of it.
- enugu 1y agoThere is an important difference between Atman and Soul. Thoughts, emotions, decisions are seen as part of nature/prakriti not Atman, whereas Soul is usually intended to include these things. A better description would be that the atman is the consciousness in which physical things or mental constructs can appear and pass away. The nature of pure consciousness is also described as real(undisturbed by time) or ananda/contentment/bliss. The disidentifcation from thoughts (for instance, seeing them pass by just like cars on road) is an important part of liberation.
- Simon_O_Rourke 1y agoThis is one step removed from swinging a crystal from a piece of string and using it to divine the stock market. Absolute nonsense the lot of it, and a waste of good printing paper that would otherwise have better use as a instruction booklet for a TP-link router.
- davidguetta 1y agoThe same could have been said of Galileo studying cosmology at his time. "Better spend time taking care of his garden". Don't read it if you dont like it but don't discourage people asking questions and making funny theories. Most of human progress wasdone that way about aspects of life that was not yet understood. Your attitude is nothing but nihilistic and it never built anything.
- staticman2 1y agoWould you have posted this in a article about digitized christian bibles?
- genrader 1y agoNo, because one built a civilization and the other is actual nonsense
- ryandv 1y agoJust about as nonsense as Plato and the cave allegory, I agree.
- staticman2 1y ago>>>No, because one built a civilization and the other is actual nonsense If you believe the bible isn't superstitious nonsense then maybe you should say that directly. "One built a civilization" describes a lot of religious books and seems to be a non sequitur. Of course "The bible is like this occult book except the bible is true" isn't a very interesting argument.
- GuB-42 1y ago