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there's really nothing anybody can do. protests dont work, riots dont work, petitions dont work, and theres nobody else to vote for who isn't also a cunt.
by yungporko 1y ago
there's really nothing anybody can do. protests dont work, riots dont work, petitions dont work, and theres nobody else to vote for who isn't also a cunt.
- chii 1y agomass civil disobedience. Not riots.
- andai 1y agoWhat would that look like?
- khalic 1y agoThere is widely available literature analyzing public disobedience, I suggest you find some reliable source in your favorite learning media. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience
- andai 1y agoThanks. So, Gandhi style peaceful resistance? Would that work in England, the way it did in India occupied by England?
- khalic 1y agoI’m just going to say it: you are wrong, protests, public pressure and civil disobedience are why you have many of the right you have today. I get you don’t have the will/energy/possibility to do anything, but don’t go around telling lies about the usefulness of public intervention.
- doublerabbit 1y ago> you are wrong, protests, public pressure and civil disobedience are why you have many of the right you have today. Once upon a time, yes. But they don't work in the modern world we live in now. Show me a successful protest that achieved change in the past ten years?
- khalic 1y agoWasn’t turkye’s failed coup less than 10 years ago? Direct result of public intervention The French yellow vest The Dutch farmer protests I can go on if you want
- doublerabbit 1y agoThose are European, cool. Any successful UK protests? As that is the country we are talking about here.
- khalic 1y agoAre you going to move the goalpost further if I give you one?
- doublerabbit 1y agoI was specifically targeting protests in the UK. As we are talking about the UK.
- khalic 1y ago
- gambiting 1y agoI really recommend a book called "Moral Ambition" which outlines many examples from history where societal change was made possible through people not protesting or rioting, but through people organising into political organisations which could then implement change - the very first example is of a man who lead the effort for abolition of slavery across the British empire, growing from a single man with an idea to a political force that made the change possible. And that doesn't mean you have to win elections - just grow enough that you are at least consulted on changes like this and treated like a partner not like a pest that has to be squashed and arrested.
- extraisland 1y agoVoting for the alternatives won't make any difference either. The power structure is designed in such a way that it is difficult for the Government itself to do change anything.
- khalic 1y agoThen create a new party, give talks about this, mobilize your friends, family, make them understand that civil liberty is literally worth dying for
- extraisland 1y agoI really get annoyed when someone suggests this (it not your fault). You are believing what you are told at school about how Politics works. Many of us understand this is unrealistic. Here is an incomplete list of reasons why I would never get involved directly in politics: 1. It takes literally decades to get a political party off the ground without major backing. All the new parties that you hear of are bankrolled by elite backing. 2. The way the Government and the civil service is setup is designed so you can't actually make any changes. Dominic Cummings has many interviews he did in the last year you can find where he explains how Whitehall is fundamentally broken. I suggest you listen to them. 3. I have a chequed past. Most of my adult life I was abusing alcohol, and as a consequence of that I have done and said lots of stupid things. A good portion of my extended family are criminals (which I don't associate with for obvious reasons). If I or anything connected to me gain any public appeal at all, I would have all the muck which I've put behind me dragged up. I don't want to expose myself or my family to that.
- khalic 1y agoSorry for your past, happy you got out of it. 1. Listen, yes it’s very hard work, but it’s this or be squeezed until there’s nothing else. And when people start having famines we’ll have a new French Revolution, millions will die, and this will require a lot more energy than doing changes today. 2. Will do, I don’t know enough on that subject to have an opinion on that. But unjust, unmovable systems, like monarchies (wink) have been toppled in the past. Even recently. 3. Sorry I was just using my environment as an example, I meant people that trust you, that you trust. This kind of movement starts small
- tomatocracy 1y agoI think the most effective solution is to work to ensure that people who have sensible views and are able to think in a reasoned way on topics like this stand for election themselves. As much as many people have distaste for the existing parties, a few people getting involved and changing the parties from the inside on one or two topics like this (which are not party political in nature) is likely to be much more effective than standing as or voting for an independent, complaining or protesting.
- L0in 1y agoAnything involved with the electoral process is doomed to fail. The system is designed that way to squash the few voices that want change. It needs uprooting not band-aid.
- L0in 1y agoThey work. But they don't work if your objective is to replace a political party with another one... The problem is the system itself. It needs uprooting. To quote someone: "You give us rights, only because we gave you riots"
- dgroshev 1y agoWe just had the government backtrack on stopping giving money to better off pensioners (WFA) and tightening regulations on disability benefits (PIP) under pressure from the backbenchers and the media. If your preferred cause is not cutting through in that way, it's worth asking what's different about the cause.