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This is yet more corporate/government overreach on devices that you're supposed to own. Trying to prevent software from being available/installed that isn't ev
by monksy 1y ago
This is yet more corporate/government overreach on devices that you're supposed to own.
Trying to prevent software from being available/installed that isn't even in the "legitimate harm" list. That's insane.
I could rant a lot about where we're in a really horrible you don't own your phone and other people believe they own it world, but that would be going off topic here. (I.e. business you go to the store is trying to force and pressure you to install apps.. i.e. sams club, or tours/businesses pushing you excessively to use whatsapp, etc )
- msgodel 1y agoYou'll be much happier if you just pretend smartphones don't exist and don't own one.
- reorder9695 1y agoIssue there is with e.g. 3DS for banking, tesco clubcard (read: extortion), TOTP
- monksy 1y agoTicketmaster with "ticketless entry" being forced. (No printouts/paper tickets)
- MrFots 1y agoStop going to events. Full stop.
- SoftTalker 1y agoThey’re willing to lose the tiny number of customers who choose this.
- msgodel 1y agoThat's something for the product vendors to worry about, stop thinking about them and focus on the impact to your life. Is the music festival really worth being chained to a computer you have no control over? I'm not a music festival person so I wouldn't know, some people seem to really like them so I guess maybe? I personally say no.
- fsflover 1y agoWhy would you do that if GNU/Linux smartphones exist? Sent from my Librem 5.
- p0w3n3d 1y agoMaybe it's time to start a phone that people can own, which inside will have a phone they they do not own but it's compliant with banking, govt, and other regulations
- fsflover 1y agoIt exists. Sent from my Librem 5.
- ChocolateGod 1y agoYou can use the Librem 5 to pay for things in stores? Since when?
- elzbardico 1y agoI could use a bunch of nice metal and plastic cards to pay things in stores if I owned a Librem 5. A small price to pay for freedom that seem each day a bit more enticing.
- ChocolateGod 1y agoThat "freedom" provides me no advantage, just disadvantages.
- fsflover 1y agoYou may not be target audience, although your claim is bold and shallow. I enjoy a lot of advantages of this phone.
- elzbardico 1y agoWell, if using your watch that you have to make sure is charged every day to pay for your coffee instead of having to carry a plastic card gives so much of a welfare boost to you, who am I to dispute your claim. The consumer is king. Better being a consumer than a citizen!
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- WA 1y agoThe status quo most software devs believe about software is: I can do whatever I want In reality, software isn't like this anymore. You, as a dev, gotta comply with various regulations and local laws if you intend to distribute software. Sure, most software in the app stores is still unregulated, but think of medical software (HIPAA or FDA in the US, MDR in the EU) or all software dealing with personal data (GDPR in EU), gambling (most countries), AI stuff (AI Act in EU), copyright (most countries) etc. This is simply Alphabet (the company) having to comply with new regulation. In some way, this sucks for users and for devs, in other ways, it helps to protect users of (shitty) software. And if you think about it, software seems to be the only thing you can sell without thinking for one second about regulations most of the time. It's kinda odd. What's the possible harm? Malicious wallet app stealing users crypto coins for example.
- Hizonner 1y ago[flagged]
- mikestew 1y agoSo did you have any more irrelevant things to say? That was uncalled for, and your point could have been made without it.
- Hizonner 1y agoNo, actually it couldn't, because part of my point is that you don't get to pollute arguments by trying to use stuff that sounds good if people don't think about it for ten seconds. The kind of "civility" you want is actively damaging, because it normalizes bad behavior and removes all negative reinforcement.
- kube-system 1y agoOften the most expedient way to comply with regulation is with a heavy hand. It is easier to accurately group apps by cryptocurrency/non-cryptocurrency than by custodial/non-custodial. And pissing off a couple of crypto enthusiasts is better for their business than pissing off regulators. So this is the best side of the line for them to err on.
- kube-system 1y agoNo, this is Google choosing what to carry inside of the store that they own. Google Play is and always has always been curated.
- Hizonner 1y agoOK, so this shows that Google's curation sucks and is anti-user, and nobody should be using Google's store. Happy?
- kube-system 1y agoIt sucks for hundreds or maybe thousands of users and is great for millions or maybe billions of users.
- miohtama 1y agoThere are estimated more than 500M cryptocurrency users world wide. Single self custodial wallets like TrustWallet have 50M installs in Play Store alone. Using "greater good" argument for censorship is a slippery slope, as we have seen with UKs Online Safety Act, when you let someone else to decide what apps and websites you should access. Google, specifically, is having several litigations and investigations related to the abuse of their position in Search and Play Store to promote their own software products over competition.
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- kube-system 1y agoRight, and very few of those hundreds of millions are experts in auditing software or vetting financial institutions. They benefit when someone vets it for them. Cryptocurrency scams and thefts are common because of this. Google is not deciding what apps you can use. There are multiple places to get software.
- johnnyanmac 1y ago
- franga2000 1y agoAs far as I can tell, this is purely a Google thing, not a government thing. The cited laws apply to money services, so something like a custodial wallet would count, but a vendor that just makes a local crypto wallet and never touches your money doesn't fall into that. Google has simply decided to ban more than necessary "just in case".
- warkdarrior 1y agoYou can use alternate stores to get your desired Android apps. There is F-Droid, Amazon Appstore for Android, Huawei AppGallery, Samsung Galaxy Store, Aptoide, Uptodown, APKMirror, APKPure, Xiaomi GetApps, OPPO App Market, AppBrain App Market, 9Apps, and probably others I forgot.
- monksy 1y agoYou can't. Some apps are explicitly linked to the play services. This is an issue with 3rd party roms and you see this issue on graphine os installs.