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Gender war can't be a sign of a healthy society.

by ashleyn 1y ago

assword 1y ago
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oldpersonintx2 1y ago
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JKCalhoun 1y ago
To be sure. Thankfully, I don't see a "gender war" — just the usual sensational headlines.
- lagniappe 1y ago
  The last decade has been various flavors of gender war.
  - 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 1y ago
    A common symptom of Internet poisoning tbh
- heddel 1y ago
  Time to start paying attention
- smt88 1y ago
  Dating and marriage are way down, politics are increasingly polarized by gender, and the original Tea app was hacked because men were angry about it... sounds a bit like gender war.
  - michaelmrose 1y ago
    Politics is only polarized by gender in the US because US men are ignorantly supporting anti women This is a very one sided war on women by conservative men.
  - lotsoweiners 1y ago
    The existence of the Tea app in the first place sounds like a gender war.
    - gitremote 1y ago
      ... in the same way that women's shelters are common but men's shelters are rare looks like a gender war.
ipnon 1y ago
TFR should be considered the basis of economics rather than GDP. It’s no longer difficult to imagine a society in which GDP is growing year over year through an automated economy of AI and robotics. But the humans who are supposedly consuming its goods and services are so miserable they can’t even be bothered to reproduce themselves.
- toomuchtodo 1y ago
  What if people are more happy not having kids? TFR is a poor metric in this regard.
  - ipnon 1y ago
    The genetic basis of sexual reproduction means that over a long enough time span the people who are happy not having kids become irrelevant because they no longer exist.
    - toomuchtodo 1y ago
      So? They lived happy lives, that's all that matters. We're all irrelevant eventually due to death. Over a long enough time period, the Earth is cooked by the Sun and this all is gone. Enjoy the ride, in a century you'll be long forgotten.
    - AlotOfReading 1y ago
      Kin selection, inclusive fitness, and group selection all beg to differ. Some form of these will be introduced in any evo bio 101 class.
      - ipnon 1y ago
        I find this hand-wavy "I am smart and you are dumb" argument to be lazy and too common on HN. What if I told you I've taken intro to evolution? What if I told you I'm an expert in human evolution? What would you have to say then?
ninetyninenine 1y ago
It is not just a gender wars that is an indicator of health. We have quantitative metrics correlating that the more modern a society is the slower the population grows. Negative population growth is an actuality, especially with Asia. If Americans didn’t have immigration we’d be going into the negative too. So immigration is a temporary reprieve. Overall the population of the world is going down, though so some countries are still going up (even with no immigration) like India. The difference between modern society and the past is women have more power. One theory is that Millions of years of evolution have conditioned the balance of power to be this way. So women gaining total equal rights is experimental and new in human civilization in general. Such changes in behavior cause unforeseen side effects even if those changes are morally correct. Population growth is one possibility here. What changed is technology. Technology has enabled women to gain more power. It made life in Mother Nature easier by allowing women to operate on the same level as men. Things like greater strength and speed were no longer relevant because things like manual farming or manual hunting were no longer part of human life. Once this happens the only barrier was culture and women easily fought for their rights and overcame it. But the behavioral changes it enables like the tea app or tea on her app or gender wars is something we’ve never seen before. The population is crashing and lowering and we don’t know why. There is a correlation between how modern a society is and how slow the population is growing. But is it causal? Is it because women have changed their behavior so much? Although there is a correlation We don’t know for sure. Qualitatively we do know that women date up. They want to date men who are more powerful and men they respect. But when they have greater choice in getting what they want (no arranged marriages in modern society) and when their own rising power makes the pool of available men who are more powerful than them much smaller… it seems that a possible logical conclusion is that more women will be willingly single and the population will shrink. So humanity faces a dilemma. Do we go with biology or do we go with what’s morally right? Like if you look at India. The woman still lacks a huge amount of power but the population is expanding. The conditions in which women suffer under are horrible. They lack many freedoms and it’s not morally right. So it’s a hard question not only to answer but to face head on. There is another freedom modern society enables that fully contributes to the problem as well. This freedom is enabling to both men and women and that is the freedom to fuck without having kids. Birth control. Another experiment in modern society. China just needs to ban all forms of birth control and abortion and I’m very sure it will solve the population problem. But of course doing so banishes a basic human right that should be morally a universal human right. I know tons of people disagree with me. And that’s fine. I posted here because I want to hear that disagreement and discuss it. I don’t want to start a gender war and the only way we can avoid that is to take stuff like this impartially. We need the freedom to criticize either gender, men and woman and not take it personally because real negative generalizations of either genders are real and those generalizations may very well be causing general macro impacts to society at large.

Gender war can't be a sign of a healthy society.

assword 1y ago

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oldpersonintx2 1y ago

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JKCalhoun 1y ago

To be sure. Thankfully, I don't see a "gender war" — just the usual sensational headlines.

lagniappe 1y ago
The last decade has been various flavors of gender war.
- 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 1y ago
  A common symptom of Internet poisoning tbh
heddel 1y ago
Time to start paying attention
smt88 1y ago
Dating and marriage are way down, politics are increasingly polarized by gender, and the original Tea app was hacked because men were angry about it... sounds a bit like gender war.
- michaelmrose 1y ago
  Politics is only polarized by gender in the US because US men are ignorantly supporting anti women This is a very one sided war on women by conservative men.
- lotsoweiners 1y ago
  The existence of the Tea app in the first place sounds like a gender war.
  - gitremote 1y ago
    ... in the same way that women's shelters are common but men's shelters are rare looks like a gender war.

ipnon 1y ago

TFR should be considered the basis of economics rather than GDP. It’s no longer difficult to imagine a society in which GDP is growing year over year through an automated economy of AI and robotics. But the humans who are supposedly consuming its goods and services are so miserable they can’t even be bothered to reproduce themselves.

toomuchtodo 1y ago
What if people are more happy not having kids? TFR is a poor metric in this regard.
- ipnon 1y ago
  The genetic basis of sexual reproduction means that over a long enough time span the people who are happy not having kids become irrelevant because they no longer exist.
  - toomuchtodo 1y ago
    So? They lived happy lives, that's all that matters. We're all irrelevant eventually due to death. Over a long enough time period, the Earth is cooked by the Sun and this all is gone. Enjoy the ride, in a century you'll be long forgotten.
  - AlotOfReading 1y ago
    Kin selection, inclusive fitness, and group selection all beg to differ. Some form of these will be introduced in any evo bio 101 class.
    - ipnon 1y ago
      I find this hand-wavy "I am smart and you are dumb" argument to be lazy and too common on HN. What if I told you I've taken intro to evolution? What if I told you I'm an expert in human evolution? What would you have to say then?

ninetyninenine 1y ago

It is not just a gender wars that is an indicator of health. We have quantitative metrics correlating that the more modern a society is the slower the population grows. Negative population growth is an actuality, especially with Asia. If Americans didn’t have immigration we’d be going into the negative too. So immigration is a temporary reprieve. Overall the population of the world is going down, though so some countries are still going up (even with no immigration) like India. The difference between modern society and the past is women have more power. One theory is that Millions of years of evolution have conditioned the balance of power to be this way. So women gaining total equal rights is experimental and new in human civilization in general. Such changes in behavior cause unforeseen side effects even if those changes are morally correct. Population growth is one possibility here. What changed is technology. Technology has enabled women to gain more power. It made life in Mother Nature easier by allowing women to operate on the same level as men. Things like greater strength and speed were no longer relevant because things like manual farming or manual hunting were no longer part of human life. Once this happens the only barrier was culture and women easily fought for their rights and overcame it. But the behavioral changes it enables like the tea app or tea on her app or gender wars is something we’ve never seen before. The population is crashing and lowering and we don’t know why. There is a correlation between how modern a society is and how slow the population is growing. But is it causal? Is it because women have changed their behavior so much? Although there is a correlation We don’t know for sure. Qualitatively we do know that women date up. They want to date men who are more powerful and men they respect. But when they have greater choice in getting what they want (no arranged marriages in modern society) and when their own rising power makes the pool of available men who are more powerful than them much smaller… it seems that a possible logical conclusion is that more women will be willingly single and the population will shrink. So humanity faces a dilemma. Do we go with biology or do we go with what’s morally right? Like if you look at India. The woman still lacks a huge amount of power but the population is expanding. The conditions in which women suffer under are horrible. They lack many freedoms and it’s not morally right. So it’s a hard question not only to answer but to face head on. There is another freedom modern society enables that fully contributes to the problem as well. This freedom is enabling to both men and women and that is the freedom to fuck without having kids. Birth control. Another experiment in modern society. China just needs to ban all forms of birth control and abortion and I’m very sure it will solve the population problem. But of course doing so banishes a basic human right that should be morally a universal human right. I know tons of people disagree with me. And that’s fine. I posted here because I want to hear that disagreement and discuss it. I don’t want to start a gender war and the only way we can avoid that is to take stuff like this impartially. We need the freedom to criticize either gender, men and woman and not take it personally because real negative generalizations of either genders are real and those generalizations may very well be causing general macro impacts to society at large.