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According to Wikipedia, that's 0.012% of their net income. [0] While I'm being told in the comments that this is not the way to look at it, it means that this i

According to Wikipedia, that's 0.012% of their net income. [0] While I'm being told in the comments that this is not the way to look at it, it means that this is, percentage wise, 50x the amount that Google is paying. Sounds fine to me. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation //Edit: Had a typo in my percentage. 20.000 of 157.000.000 is, indeed, 0.012% - that makes it 50x the amount of Google's percentage.

FirmwareBurner 1y ago
>According to Wikipedia, that's 0.0012% of their net income. How much of the Mozilla foundation's income goes into product development nowadays?
- MrGilbert 1y ago
  260 Mio. USD, as answered by the linked article, though the numbers only go up to 2023. So "nowadays" is a bit of a stretch.
- Ray20 1y ago
  Do you imply that it's not 5x, but 500x of what Google pays? /s
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morpheuskafka 1y ago
But Chrome is paying more as a percentage of their browser units' income, no? Virtually all of Mozilla's income comes from the browser (via the Google search agreement). The vast majority of Google's revenue comes from ad revenue on search, YouTube, and Adsense. Not from Chrome directly. So they had less incentive to reward its security, but did so anyway. And they also do some of the best work in the industry, free, for competitors via Project Zero.
- victorbjorklund 1y ago
  The browser totally has zero to do with google ads. Totally no connection at all.
  - alxeder 1y ago
    the browser did limit the capabilities of adblockers quite drastically lately, but this is surly a coincidence.
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    - Arnt 1y ago
      People keep saying that. There are two problems with that, namely ① Google's own ads are easy to block using the new API and ② the new API is effective at blocking various evil attacks. If Google wanted to get rid of ad blockers, I'm sure they could come up with an API that does a better job than that. https://textslashplain.com/2024/10/13/content-blocking-in-manifest-v3/ https://textslashplain.com/2024/10/13/content-blocking-in-ma... shows a ten-line ad blocker that blocks Google's ads, https://github.com/extesy/hoverzoom/discussions/670 https://github.com/extesy/hoverzoom/discussions/670 is a list of polite email messages from people who'd like to have elevated access to browsers.
      - Rohansi 1y ago
        Don't forget about YouTube!
        crazygringo 1y ago
        What about YouTube? uBlock Origin Lite blocks YouTube ads just fine.
        Rohansi 1y ago
        Not for everyone. Do you really think Google wouldn't do anything about as blockers? Especially now that no ads is one of the selling points of YouTube Premium?
fny 1y ago
Do you pay a software engineer for their time based on your revenue or his skill?
- tossandthrow 1y ago
  Mostly based on revenue - or at least that is the way we are going. That is why you see equivalent skill levels being paid differently in big tech compared to other places. And why you see millions in salaries at some big techs Ai hiring.
  - ponector 1y ago
    Not at all. Corporation always pays as little as possible. Unless we are talking about CEO levels...
- yaseer 1y ago
  Both - these are the two sides of the market, aka supply and demand.
- LauraMedia 1y ago
  If you don't have the revenue, you don't pay them at all, because you don't actually employ them. It's really no secret that higher revenue means higher potential pay/more devs...
- ndr 1y ago
  Be somewhat competitive to what such developers could get on the black market. Discounting the ethics. Surely a bug on Chrome is worth more than a bug on Firefox.
  - UncleMeat 1y ago
    Should I be competitive with meth manufacturers when I buy prescription cold medicine from a pharmacist?
    - fkyoureadthedoc 1y ago
woadwarrior01 1y ago
If only they'd use a similar rubric to rein in their CEO comp[1]. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24132168 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24132168
- exizt88 1y ago
  Is their CEO comp not in line with the market?
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  - Almondsetat 1y ago
    Are Mozilla's earning in line with the market?
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  - ToucanLoucan 1y ago
    That's a bad rubric to judge by, in this case. CEO pay is at a historic high, in fact I'm pretty sure the last time the gap in wage between median workers and CEOs was this high was the roaring 20's, which famously went quite well for the economy.
  - amiga386 1y ago
    No. More than 80% of Mozilla Corp's income is a yearly payment from Google. [0] The payment will stop immediately if Google thinks it's no longer needed, or if federal prosecutors (who have determined this payment is illegal) decide the remedy is to stop the payment. [1] The CEO's job is simple. Say "I think we should take Google's money again this year", and then pocket several million of it. Ca-ching! What are your plans for post-Google-money? Uh uh... AI? Sell out our users to advertisers? [2] It's not looking good. The Firefox market share continues to dwindle. The board continues to hob-nob with San Francisco socialites and "activists" and use Mozilla as a piggybank to fund their chums. [edit: removed line about Mitchell Baker as she does seem to have finally left] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation#Finances https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation#Finances [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-08-05/google-loses-doj-antitrust-suit-over-search https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-08-05/google-lo... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43185909 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43185909

FirmwareBurner 1y ago

>According to Wikipedia, that's 0.0012% of their net income. How much of the Mozilla foundation's income goes into product development nowadays?

MrGilbert 1y ago
260 Mio. USD, as answered by the linked article, though the numbers only go up to 2023. So "nowadays" is a bit of a stretch.
Ray20 1y ago
Do you imply that it's not 5x, but 500x of what Google pays? /s

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morpheuskafka 1y ago

But Chrome is paying more as a percentage of their browser units' income, no? Virtually all of Mozilla's income comes from the browser (via the Google search agreement). The vast majority of Google's revenue comes from ad revenue on search, YouTube, and Adsense. Not from Chrome directly. So they had less incentive to reward its security, but did so anyway. And they also do some of the best work in the industry, free, for competitors via Project Zero.

victorbjorklund 1y ago
The browser totally has zero to do with google ads. Totally no connection at all.
- alxeder 1y ago
  the browser did limit the capabilities of adblockers quite drastically lately, but this is surly a coincidence.
  - deleted 1y ago
    [deleted]
  - Arnt 1y ago
    People keep saying that. There are two problems with that, namely ① Google's own ads are easy to block using the new API and ② the new API is effective at blocking various evil attacks. If Google wanted to get rid of ad blockers, I'm sure they could come up with an API that does a better job than that. https://textslashplain.com/2024/10/13/content-blocking-in-manifest-v3/ https://textslashplain.com/2024/10/13/content-blocking-in-ma... shows a ten-line ad blocker that blocks Google's ads, https://github.com/extesy/hoverzoom/discussions/670 https://github.com/extesy/hoverzoom/discussions/670 is a list of polite email messages from people who'd like to have elevated access to browsers.
    - Rohansi 1y ago
      Don't forget about YouTube!
      - crazygringo 1y ago
        What about YouTube? uBlock Origin Lite blocks YouTube ads just fine.
        Rohansi 1y ago
        Not for everyone. Do you really think Google wouldn't do anything about as blockers? Especially now that no ads is one of the selling points of YouTube Premium?

fny 1y ago

Do you pay a software engineer for their time based on your revenue or his skill?

tossandthrow 1y ago
Mostly based on revenue - or at least that is the way we are going. That is why you see equivalent skill levels being paid differently in big tech compared to other places. And why you see millions in salaries at some big techs Ai hiring.
- ponector 1y ago
  Not at all. Corporation always pays as little as possible. Unless we are talking about CEO levels...
yaseer 1y ago
Both - these are the two sides of the market, aka supply and demand.
LauraMedia 1y ago
If you don't have the revenue, you don't pay them at all, because you don't actually employ them. It's really no secret that higher revenue means higher potential pay/more devs...
ndr 1y ago
Be somewhat competitive to what such developers could get on the black market. Discounting the ethics. Surely a bug on Chrome is worth more than a bug on Firefox.
- UncleMeat 1y ago
  Should I be competitive with meth manufacturers when I buy prescription cold medicine from a pharmacist?
  - fkyoureadthedoc 1y ago

woadwarrior01 1y ago

If only they'd use a similar rubric to rein in their CEO comp[1]. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24132168 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24132168

exizt88 1y ago
Is their CEO comp not in line with the market?
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- Almondsetat 1y ago
  Are Mozilla's earning in line with the market?
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- ToucanLoucan 1y ago
  That's a bad rubric to judge by, in this case. CEO pay is at a historic high, in fact I'm pretty sure the last time the gap in wage between median workers and CEOs was this high was the roaring 20's, which famously went quite well for the economy.
- amiga386 1y ago
  No. More than 80% of Mozilla Corp's income is a yearly payment from Google. [0] The payment will stop immediately if Google thinks it's no longer needed, or if federal prosecutors (who have determined this payment is illegal) decide the remedy is to stop the payment. [1] The CEO's job is simple. Say "I think we should take Google's money again this year", and then pocket several million of it. Ca-ching! What are your plans for post-Google-money? Uh uh... AI? Sell out our users to advertisers? [2] It's not looking good. The Firefox market share continues to dwindle. The board continues to hob-nob with San Francisco socialites and "activists" and use Mozilla as a piggybank to fund their chums. [edit: removed line about Mitchell Baker as she does seem to have finally left] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation#Finances https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation#Finances [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-08-05/google-loses-doj-antitrust-suit-over-search https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-08-05/google-lo... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43185909 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43185909