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Optimizing my sleep around Claude usage limits
- rappatic 1y agoIf Claude usage limits are this important to your life, it seems a little smarter to just bite the Claude Max bullet. Isn't an ordinary sleep schedule easily worth $180/month difference?
- mattwiese 1y agoIt sure is, but this has been a fun experiment because I want to sail solo in the future. If I can't vibe code while sleep deprived, I sure as heck won't be able to react to an AIS alert and change course in the middle of the night!
- astral_drama 1y agoYou do your best and let the sea take of the rest. Anyhow, vibe coding is pretty low stakes compared to the joys and terrors you'll find out at sea. Bon voyage!
- Ifkaluva 1y agoFor a landlubber like me, could you say something about what kind of joys might be possible expected? As a landlubber, the terrors are quite easy to imagine.
- cricalix 1y agoIn no particular order: Marine mammals Sunsets with no land in sight. Sunsets framing the land. Sunrises with no land in sight. Sunrises framing the land. Thunder and lightning rolling up one side of an island in the distance, putting on a show. Dark skies and the stars. The peace and tranquility of quiet places with just nature and you. Until the sod over the hill turns on their generator. Fresh fish. The feel of sea spray, wind in the ears, the connection to your boat, knowing if things are right just by the feel and sound. And that's just from doing non-ocean-crossing sailing.
- tkj922 1y agoYeah, but you mentioned the terrors
- schaefer 1y agoDo you know that big’s backyard ultra exists? Even more ways to get your sleep deprived fun.
- LorenzoGood 1y agoHave you done any offshore races?
- serf 1y agocounterpoint : I had a max x20 account for the past three months and hit limits just about every period that fell within working hours. I finally cancelled it two days ago due to overspending-guilt/token-grinding guilt, and they shorted me my last day due to an error on their side regarding time zones. It's really so dependent on your workloads. Conversations around token expenditure are wildly different from individual to individual,and workload to workload. Dealing with codebases that require contextual reading due to a lack of training corpus (R/Go/Common Lisp, among others..) EAT context and tokens for breakfast.
- f137 1y agoHow many people would click on a "Using multiply Claude accounts to get more code" post?
- johnfn 1y agoThis article is definitely just a joke. Right? Haha? It's a joke? People definitely aren't really doing this in real life? Ha? ...?
- lovich 1y agohe mentioned being inspired by 100 rabbits. i assume the author is a bit odd compared to most people just from that
- GuinansEyebrows 1y agoaesthetically, maybe. but i can't help think that someone who claims 100rabbits as an influence but molds their life around a paid service that burns a lot of joules in order to avoid getting closer to the metal might have missed some of the philosophical points.
- lovich 1y agoI agree, but I was just pointing out that this author has the signs indicating that they are someone who makes some unusual decisions in life. Regardless of if they match the ethos they are inspired by
- mattwiese 1y agoI am not odd in fact I am perfectly 100% normal
- yahoozoo 1y ago[flagged]
- rgmerk 1y agoUm…is this satire?
- PlunderBunny 1y agoMy thoughts exactly.
- max-m 1y agoAt this point I can't even tell reality from satire anymore.
- mattwiese 1y agoAt the risk of derailing the thread, your comment is a poignant reminder of Baudrillard's simulacra & simulation. Also, not satire... although written with a healthy dose of token-in-cheek :]
- BigJono 1y agoThe thread before with someone flogging off their educational book they wrote "with Claude in an afternoon", as if anyone would benefit from investing days or weeks of learning effort into consuming something the author couldn't be fucked spending even a single day on, that one was well crafted satire, right? ...right?
- encom 1y agoI wish I could have a HN front page without AI (or "$foo rewrite in Rust"). I'm not an anti-AI luddite, but it's just way too much at this point. Surely there are other interesting hackery topics we could talk about.
- BallsInIt 1y agoFlag them all and hope more do the same.
- sitkack 1y ago[flagged]
- bakugo 1y agoIs it really censorship when 90% of AI related posts are just not-so-thinly-veiled advertisements with zero potential for meaningful discussion beyond "yes I agree fellow independent user, I also love Claude Code™ from Anthropic® and it has 1000x'd my productivity, their $5000/mo plan is a steal and everyone should buy it!"
- tehnub 1y agoNot sure if it's full on satire, slightly outrageous ideas expressed in fanciful language for the fun of it, or the writing of a true believer. Fun read, good luck with the stealth B2B!
- mattwiese 1y agoDefinitely written tongue-in-cheek, but I did do this and it did "work" lol. Cheers!
- ltbarcly3 1y agoLiterally the first thing I thought when I read how claude counts usage is "I need to set up a cron job to do one claude request before I wake up, so my work day is split in half on the 7 hour bucket times. So probably 5AM, my tokens reset at 12, then reset again at 7.
- novaleaf 1y agoyeah, which is easy to do with the cli command. though I personally just make a single request right when I wake up, before making coffee.
- MangoToupe 1y agoYou could just try and sleep.
- acedTrex 1y agoThis is satire right? It has to be
- Duanemclemore 1y agoAh yes, polyphasic sleep. Like the classic Seinfeld episode [0]. Inspired by this, a buddy of mine tried "DaVinci Sleep" at our residential high school, and lasted a week before he crashed for 20 hours and went back to a normal schedule. Apropos of nothing, he's now a very well regarded academic - in an unrelated field. To be fair, computer science is famous for people rearranging their sleep schedule around when the compute time was available. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Friar%27s_Club https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Friar%27s_Club
- Sn0wCoder 1y ago"To be fair, computer science is famous for people rearranging their sleep schedule around when the compute time was available." - Duanemclemore Interesting take, not the mind set I went into reading the article but the one I wish I had...
- __MatrixMan__ 1y agoI experimented with polyphasic sleep for a few months. It was really interesting to experience time as more continuous, not broken up into days. I gave it up because I found it wasn't very fault tolerant. If I missed a bedtime even by just a few hours, or ate before trying to sleep, I was in a bad state for a day or two until I could get back on track.
- mattwiese 1y ago> I gave it up because I found it wasn't very fault tolerant. If I missed a bedtime even by just a few hours, or ate before trying to sleep, I was in a bad state for a day or two until I could get back on track. That's what terrifies me about polyphasic sleep at sea. I had a few "cheat" days while attempting this, but of course the safety of myself and others didn't depend on if I hit snooze 5 times in an hour. Claude just got lonely for a bit. It's really an interesting technique and I hope to find and talk with sailors who've done it. Thanks for sharing your experience.
- __MatrixMan__ 1y agoOn the bright side, those others would have good reason not to give you reasons to deviate from the plan. It was usually social pressure that did me in. People want to meet for coffee or drinks or food at a time when it wasn't well aligned with my nap schedule, and I started making compromises... I suppose something that engages you for hours could appear unscheduled while sailing, but it seems like most sources of such things could be mitigated with adequate planning, and they're unlikely to involve coffee or beer or birthday cake.
- hattmall 1y ago>I suppose something that engages you for hours could appear unscheduled while sailing I would say, generally speaking, that comprises the bulk of the time. Most likely you will spend more time in unscheduled multi-hour long tasks than anything else over the course of an extended trip.
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- mareko 1y agoI'm impressed by your determination. A while back, I had a big paper deadline a week away and knew I didn’t have enough time to finish without sacrificing sleep. Rather than cutting my sleep short, I decided to stick with 7–8 hours of rest and instead lengthen my wake window. I worked out a schedule that gave me six nights of sleep across seven days. It meant waking up at stranger and stranger times as the week went on, and getting some odd looks from my roommates when I emerged from my room. But in the end, it was totally worth it. I was waking up well-rested and ready to tackle those extra-long days. The effort paid off 100%. Not only did I make the deadline, but my paper was accepted as well. A year later, that same paper helped me get into my PhD program of choice. It’s funny how these short bursts of intense effort can sometimes have such a big impact. Best of luck with your side hustle!
- versteegen 1y agoI'm surprised to hear that that schedule worked well. Even if you woke feeling well-rested, what did you feel like towards the end of the day, at your normal/previous sleep time? Personally in that situation I would (and do) get plenty of sleep every night and then skip the final night. I find the fatigue from a lot of lost sleep normally doesn't hit me in full until the second day after, and the final-day panic is enough to counteract the lack of sleep.
- mckn1ght 1y agoI’ve tried this because I’ve long thought my circadian cycle is just a bit longer than average, where I just don’t feel tired until late at night, and traveling westward feels great because I can take an extra long day. Waking up early on a regular schedule is hard for me generally, like, I can do it but I feel braindead. Eastward jet lag of 3-6 hours is awful if I have to do stuff in the mornings. So I tried a complete “cycle” of 28 hour days until I realigned with the normal day. Which happens to be the same thing GP did. LCM(24, 28) = 168 which is 7 days with 6 cycles. Roughly 19 hours waking and 9 hours sleeping. I did let myself sleep longer instead of holding to 7-8 hours like GP. It definitely felt weird because my wife wasn’t on the schedule, but I didn’t feel super sleep deprived. I’m sure with multiple complete cycles you’d see more adverse effects, so it’s probably best to only do this very sparingly. Maybe napping during the wake period could alleviate issues.
- dlcarrier 1y agoSpend a few hundred on a GPU, run Cline locally, and get a good nights rest.
- plusfour 1y agohave some self respect.
- judge123 1y agoLOL, this is the most brilliant, unhinged productivity hack I've seen all year. What's next? Moving to a different time zone to get more GPT-5 credits? I'm taking notes.
- cookiengineer 1y agoYou seem to be a young fella, so let me tell you this: Every time you do coder.Health-- for bank.Money++, you have the problem that you are never able to do coder.Health++ for bank.Money-- afterwards. Never sacrifice health for money. Never. Every idea that needs to be worked on more than 50 hours a week is an idea not worth working on. I know how it is, I've been there myself. You'll be reluctant to listen now. But maybe in a year you'll come back and remember this comment.
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- teaearlgraycold 1y agoI’d say generally yes, working yourself too hard for some bullshit SaaS isn’t worth it. But there are bigger problems out there. You might still be expending your health but it could be worth it enough for others to justify the effort.
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- sneak 1y agoPeople have been trading off sleep deprivation for productivity for all of human history. It isn’t always about money, and it isn’t always a choice. It is a personal decision to build or destroy one’s body, and while your advice is maybe sound in general, we should avoid generalizing for other people. A little bit of sleep deprivation isn’t life threatening (such as being significantly overweight, or smoking, or consistently eating unhealthy foods). We should avoid over-moralizing to others about the engineering tradeoffs they make in their own lives. Many a family has been enriched by mothers and fathers overworking themselves to build a better life for their children, for example. > Never sacrifice health for money. Never. Every idea that needs to be worked on more than 50 hours a week is an idea not worth working on. If I had taken this advice verbatim in my 20s, I wouldn’t be able to frequently be working 20 hour weeks in my 40s. I would argue that speaking in absolutes like this is actually bad advice. It is frequently a good thing to work yourself to burnout for a year or three if it means you can work at 20% for the following 20 years.
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- 000ooo000 1y agoYou have it backwards *Optimising My Claude Usage Around Their Usage Limits Your sleep regime here is in no way optimal
- TheCowboy 1y agoWhy isn't simply getting another Claude account an option that you've tried before damaging your brain with low quality sleep? Or writing prompts that get fired off by a script once the usage resets when sleeping so that you at least get some free tokies? I'm sympathetic to wanting to squeeze out what you can to control costs, but this is something that might only seem sustainable because you're too exhausted to fully appreciate the potential deleterious long-term health effects.
- handoflixue 1y agoI believe both behaviors violate the Terms of Service - it's generally frowned on to create multiple accounts to work around usage limits, and I know the TOS prohibited scripted interactions designed to maximize 24/7 usage (the subscriptions are very much based on the assumption that you will "be normal" about them)
- chatmasta 1y agoAnd yet businesses seem to have no trouble paying for multiple accounts. I’m sure OP could register as a business or even recruit a friend to pay for an account on his behalf. I don’t think Anthropic cares as long as you’re paying them for the two accounts…
- handoflixue 1y agoBusiness plans usually require a 5 seat minimum, charge per seat, and have different pricing levels - but yeah, nothing stops you from registering an LLC. Namecheap is even running a special: Buy a domain name and get an LLC for free: https://www.namecheap.com/apps/business-starter-kit/ https://www.namecheap.com/apps/business-starter-kit/ (not affiliated, I was just very surprised when they tried to upsell me last time I renewed my domain :))
- unwise-exe 1y agoThe writing style would seem to suggest that the lack of sleep has been having more effects than reported.
- rightrighton87 1y agoThese are the type of people I'm up against at job interviews FML
- more_corn 1y agoYour code will actually work though and you’ll understand it. Broheem is going to show up bleary eyed and with zero understanding of what his code does or how. Pretty sure he’s going to wash out of any interview.
- dalemhurley 1y agoYou know Cursor is giving away unlimited GPT-5 this week? You could just work 24x7 and Vibe code yourself to a trillion dollars. In all seriousness, you need to rest properly, you will be more productive and make less mistakes and have less rework. Finally, if you are using Claude to get your "React component to hydrate correctly", you are not being very efficient in using AI as a coding agent. I wrote a post about using Full.CX MCP that will build complete features for you with test etc. https://dalehurley.com/posts/fullcxmcp https://dalehurley.com/posts/fullcxmcp
- Ezhik 1y agoBeing inspired by Hundred Rabbits to break your sleep schedule to work on a B2B SaaS... If this is bait, then I am hooked.
- thefz 1y agoWriting sofwtware is hard already, with such dependence on shitty AI code generation we must brace for the advent of the worst code ever era. Security and performance wise it will be a mess.
- more_corn 1y agoI would agree but then I think back on the codebases I’ve seen over the years. Ai doesn’t have a monopoly on crappy code and at least if you learn something you can add it to your cursor rules (let’s always follow best practices for security and data protection) Or you can add it as a pre-commit check. Whereas with human devs you can tell them a hundred times and they still won’t listen.
- TruePath 1y agoIt is worth remembering that before artificial lighting the normal sleep pattern is to sleep in two segments and get up in the middle to have sex, talk, do some chores, change the baby etc. And I believe a normal sleep cycle is something like 90 minutes so if you *really* sleep in 3 hour chunks that's actually probably healthier than the normal us sleep schedule. I mean many of us find the usual wake at 7am alarm schedule to be pretty damn brutal. However, if what you actually do is kinda lie around check your phone in bed etc and then get blasted awake by an alarm that's a different story.
- withinboredom 1y agoBro: uv tool install claude-monitor The game is to balance the usage bars. If you run out of one before the others, you aren't max-min'ing it right.
- SrslyJosh 1y agoTotally not a cult.
- SideburnsOfDoom 1y agoIt's not cultish behaviour, it's the behaviour of an addict.
- macgiysap 1y agoIf you’re ever near the Annapolis area hit me up. I’m taking my boat out racing most weekends and Wednesday nights during the summer.
- garrettgrimsley 1y agoThere's no contact information in your profile, and googling your username has but one hit: this very comment.
- hoppp 1y agoSolo sailing liveaboard coder here also. High five!
- bialpio 1y agoBrilliant example of Poe's law, I seriously don't know if this article is sincere or not. I tip my hat to the author.
- guywithahat 1y agoFor his sake I really hope he's not "optimizing his sleep" for a B2B SaaS stealth startup lol. It was a funny article though
- kazinator 1y agoWhen the usage limit strikes, wouldn't that be a great time to review the code, and think a little bit?
- mvieira38 1y agoPlease make this a series and monitor your vitals. Maybe routine cognitive tests would be a fun thing to do, like memory games or playing 10 games on lichess bullet daily, so we could track if the microsleeping is effective or not.
- taftster 1y agoHaving Claude help write the tracking/monitoring application would be an additional bonus.
- mvieira38 1y agoAnd interpreting the results, and writing the blog posts and posting. Become Claude
- low_tech_love 1y agoWhy experimenting at all? Just ask Claude what will happen and it’ll write a nice report.
- taftster 1y agoHa! Skip the middleman entirely and just go straight to the source.
- antonvs 1y ago> Please make this a series and monitor your vitals. Reminds me of the guy who claimed that eating butter made him smarter, ate half a stick a day, then died of a heart attack.
- StopVibeCoding 1y agoI hope this is sarcasm. Surely, right?
- jug 1y agoI showed this blog post to ChatGPT and even an AI disapproved, lol.
- internetguy 1y agomaybe if you were really a "cracked coder", you could learn React...
- jacquesm 1y agoSo, you're now officially a peripheral of an AI. That thing is supposed to work for you, not the other way around. I'm tempted to front you the money for a larger subscription so you can get some sleep, on the other hand then you might really burn out.
- Garlef 1y agoTell me you don't have kids without telling me you don't have kids.
- j45 1y agoFeeding newborns around the clock + micro sleep excluded.
- bogwog 1y agoIt may reduce your life span by 50%, but when you consider it improves your productivity by 100x, it means you lived more of a life than those that didn't. (Also, I'm assuming this post is a joke, but some of the comments here seem to ve taking it seriously)
- enjaydee 1y agoI too thought it was a joke, then the comments made me doubt myself
- csomar 1y agoI tried looking up his blog post history to get a sense of his style. This is his first blog post, so the jury is still out.
- kittikitti 1y agoReducing my life span by 50% means reducing the total number of layoffs in my life so maybe this is a win-win?
- whalesalad 1y agobro just get an api key and call it a day lol.
- jaredcwhite 1y agoHaha, good one! I love me some juicy satire. Wait…erm, is this for real?? :face_with_spiral_eyes:
- jongjong 1y agoThis is one advantage of living in Australia. I didn't even realize LLM usage limits were still a thing. Last time I encountered one was during the rollout of GPT4.
- globular-toast 1y agoThis goes along with my current theory about how people are getting 10x results using LLMs: they're putting in 10x the time.
- johnvanommen 1y agoI quit every vice: Stopped playing videogames in my 20s because they were a time sink, stopped drinking in my 50s, stopped drinking coffee because I no longer needed a 'wake me up' when I embraced sobriety. But when I first started tinkering with AI, I found it so addictive, it reminded me of how I used to play videogames in my 20s obsessively. I think it's the randomness of the rewards that makes AI possibly addictive. It sometimes felt like a slot machine, the way that tweaking a setting or two would get me closer to the goal.
- 6thbit 1y agoCareful, you might end up dreaming of electric sheep.
- etothepii 1y agoI used to be a polyphasic sleeper so this article interested me but I find myself stuck on the final paragraph. > My velocity has increased 10x and I'm shipping features like a cracked ninja now, which is great because my B2B SaaS is still in stealth mode. Does someone have a good book I can read on stealth mode startups? My B2B SaaS is only small (about $1.25m ARR) but I can't imagine shipping features without someone to use them. We could definitely write a lot more features if our users didn't point out the ways that what we were doing wasn't quite right or didn't fit with the problem we thought we were solving. I can imagine doing the business part, regulatory part or hard tech part of a startup in stealth mode - but what would does it mean to ship features in stealth mode?
- stavros 1y agoIt means 50% of your features will be useless, or harmful.
- jaggederest 1y agoI'm almost certain that it's parody or satire to some degree, but these days it's very hard to tell.
- Aurornis 1y agoI think that was satire. The entire startup writing world has adopted the idea that you need to ship to actual customers as fast as possible. Developing features in stealth for years is a well-known way to trap yourself into making the wrong thing. That said, I think the startup book, blog, Tweet, and LinkedIn think piece world went a little overboard with the "ship your MVP early" concept. For a while I was seeing little startups proudly ship things that just didn't work or lacked key features. The only real-world feedback they were getting was that the product was incomplete. If you burn your early customers badly, you lose precious advocates. In my opinion you're doing the right thing by shipping features for your customers. It is possible to over-focus on a few vocal customers, though. A common trap for small companies is to get into a relationship with 1 or 2 very vocal customers who will act like they're giving you insights into what the industry wants, but in reality they're just telling you what you want to hear in order to specialize your software for them. It's important to go out and validate the new feature requests with the broader market.
- owenthejumper 1y agoWhat an insanity
- bigtimegames 1y agoit is like old school with time sharing systems -- you gotta be efficient when your turn comes up in the lab on the punch card and mainframes... instead of the mindless and endless trial-n-error hacking we are used to these days?
- throwawayoldie 1y agoExcept if you're waiting for your turn to come up so you can vibe code, you're combining mindless trial-and-error hacking with a deranged sleep schedule. It's the worst of both worlds.
- ripped_britches 1y agoJust use the API after limit instead of ruining your sleep
- johnvanommen 1y agoI'm 80% certain that my Dad sunk his sailboat because he fell asleep: https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/elderly-man-reunites-with-coast-guard-members-who-saved-his-life/ https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/elderly-man-reunites-... He's doing great, still sailing. That was the third boat he sunk. This was the most famous sinking: https://www.latitude38.com/lectronic/an-inspirational-sailor-loses-his-boat/ https://www.latitude38.com/lectronic/an-inspirational-sailor... Three shipwrecks in ten years might be a record?
- johntash 1y ago> I'm 80% certain that my Dad sunk his sailboat because he fell asleep: :( > He's doing great, still sailing. :D > That was the third boat he sunk. This was the most famous sinking: :o Your comment was a bit of an emotional rollercoaster, but I'm glad your dad is doing good!
- devmor 1y agoI strongly encourage you to see a therapist or psychiatrist (a real, human professional) to determine if you have an unhealthy dependency on a computer program. Reorganizing your sleep around an activity you refuse to stop is one of the most obvious warning signs of a dangerous addiction. Please don’t destroy your mental and physical health because you’ve convinced yourself that you achieved impossible and fantastic sounding gains in productivity.
- decimalenough 1y ago> My velocity has increased 10x and I'm shipping features like a cracked ninja now, which is great because my B2B SaaS is still in stealth mode. I'm genuinely unsure if this is a parody or not.
- raylad 1y agoYou can get another $20/mo account and switch between them with /login. It won't give you continuous coding probably, but at least you can go for twice as long with a shorter wait afterwards. I find that each account gives me 1-2 hours of coding in Claude Code usually.
- metalman 1y agoaaaah! just going for it! call it optimising or just running lean, it is a resiliancy that cant be taken away. one thing I like very much about sleeping, is waking up with my next move all figured out, even a cat nap will do I have stopped checking the time, unless there is an appointment, wake up, get up, do something, dopey sleepy, back to bed, wake up, work, hungry ....awsome , some days are zero's, and some days click, nothing but net all day long but nothing like a sleep reset when solo running hard and lean
- tzury 1y agoThat’s contradicting the promise of AI. the “ai will get it done for you” spirit. Optimizing one’s sleep around rate limits is perhaps worse than “optimizing sleep around my boss’ personal life style”. Besides, are we in a low wedge industry that $180 ($6 per day) is that difficult?
- kotaKat 1y agoYou don't get to use Claude when they put you in a 5150 hold at the hospital for unchecked mental behavior.
- aitchnyu 1y agoIm using Aider (it edits code under my explicit command) using a $0.3/M tokens model. What am I missing if I dont use a full agentic tool and $3/M token model like Sonnet?
- johnisgood 1y agoNot gonna lie, I do seem to shape my life around Claude's usage limits, too, sometimes.
- incoren3 1y agoPeople like this are why, as soon as I got my CS degree, I turned around and became a machinist instead.
- arkey 1y agoI am learning how to weld and work metal, work wood, grow a vegetable garden, keep chickens, maybe raise some later on... All this AI hype is pushing me even more to think that the value of a job is inversely proportional to the likelihood of it being done by a computer.
- guzik 1y agolet me piggyback on this thread because maybe there’s a kind soul here who knows the answer. I set up some simple cron jobs in Claude Code that run every few hours. I am on the Pro plan and unfortunately, I cant fully solve this one problem: I keep getting the error: Invalid API key · Please run /login I know there are a lot of github issues about this but most of them dont seem to directly apply. The weird thing is: when I run the exact same command manually in my terminal, it works fine. When run via cron, it fails. I suspect it has something to do with how Claude CLI stores the session token or environment variables, since cron doesn’t run as a full login shell. I already tried wrapping the command in bash -l -c "..." which helps in some cases, but not consistently. Has anyone here figured out a clean, reliable way to run Claude CLI from cron without having to manually relogin every 5 hours or so? Or is it only restricted for paid anthropic API Key?
- doraakulshina 1y agoStep 1: Optimize sleep for Claude limits Step 2: Ship features in stealth mode Step 3: ??? Step 4: Exit to Google for $10B
- doraakulshina 1y agopokemon go but in 2025