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very impressive... Max+ 395 specced with: 128GB of non-upgradeable LPDDR5x WD_BLACK SN850X NVMe - M.2 2280 - 8TB Noctua fan 3x + 3x extra USB-A & USB-C ports

very impressive... Max+ 395 specced with: 128GB of non-upgradeable LPDDR5x WD_BLACK SN850X NVMe - M.2 2280 - 8TB Noctua fan 3x + 3x extra USB-A & USB-C ports No OS option. only $2,776.00!!!

micromacrofoot 1y ago
everything's cheap when you're rich
- OrvalWintermute 1y ago
  A mac studio configured similarly With 128 GB of memory and an 8 TB SSD is $5799
  - mft_ 1y ago
    One detail is that the memory bandwidth on the M4 Max and M3 Ultra (especially) is considerably higher than the 395+.
  - jeroenhd 1y ago
    The Mac Studio (at least the M3 Ultra model) blows the Framework out of the water when it comes to AI performance, though, at least according to this (Dutch language) benchmark: https://tweakers.net/reviews/13614/framework-desktop-de-framework-die-je-niet-koopt-voor-de-upgrades.html#chapter_6 https://tweakers.net/reviews/13614/framework-desktop-de-fram... Paying twice the price for twice to seven times the performance may not be such a bad thing. Then again, with Apple you're kind of stuck with macOS and the like, so Framework may still be the better option depending on your use case.
    - Rohansi 1y ago
      The M3 Ultra also consumes a lot more power because Strix Halo is actually a chip for laptops. The Framework here is a desktop but that doesn't change what AMD prioritized when building this chip.
      - geerlingguy 1y ago
        The M3 Ultra is more efficient both on the CPU and GPU side.
        Rohansi 1y ago
        I'd hope so since M3 Ultra is using a newer/more efficient manufacturing process than Strix Halo!
everfrustrated 1y ago
Bear in mind the gpu has access to all of that 128GB as well, so for AI thats very very cheap.
- cyanydeez 1y ago
  yeah, slap the Apple brand on this and it's basically the same thing. People seem to really not understand the limits of wanting unified memory architecture.
  - mkl 1y ago
    Apple CPUs have up to more than 2.5 times the memory bandwidth as this (and you pay for it).

very impressive... Max+ 395 specced with: 128GB of non-upgradeable LPDDR5x WD_BLACK SN850X NVMe - M.2 2280 - 8TB Noctua fan 3x + 3x extra USB-A & USB-C ports No OS option. only $2,776.00!!!

micromacrofoot 1y ago

everything's cheap when you're rich

OrvalWintermute 1y ago
A mac studio configured similarly With 128 GB of memory and an 8 TB SSD is $5799
- mft_ 1y ago
  One detail is that the memory bandwidth on the M4 Max and M3 Ultra (especially) is considerably higher than the 395+.
- jeroenhd 1y ago
  The Mac Studio (at least the M3 Ultra model) blows the Framework out of the water when it comes to AI performance, though, at least according to this (Dutch language) benchmark: https://tweakers.net/reviews/13614/framework-desktop-de-framework-die-je-niet-koopt-voor-de-upgrades.html#chapter_6 https://tweakers.net/reviews/13614/framework-desktop-de-fram... Paying twice the price for twice to seven times the performance may not be such a bad thing. Then again, with Apple you're kind of stuck with macOS and the like, so Framework may still be the better option depending on your use case.
  - Rohansi 1y ago
    The M3 Ultra also consumes a lot more power because Strix Halo is actually a chip for laptops. The Framework here is a desktop but that doesn't change what AMD prioritized when building this chip.
    - geerlingguy 1y ago
      The M3 Ultra is more efficient both on the CPU and GPU side.
      - Rohansi 1y ago
        I'd hope so since M3 Ultra is using a newer/more efficient manufacturing process than Strix Halo!

everfrustrated 1y ago

Bear in mind the gpu has access to all of that 128GB as well, so for AI thats very very cheap.

cyanydeez 1y ago
yeah, slap the Apple brand on this and it's basically the same thing. People seem to really not understand the limits of wanting unified memory architecture.
- mkl 1y ago
  Apple CPUs have up to more than 2.5 times the memory bandwidth as this (and you pay for it).