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What's the benefit of this compared to the IDE? To be more like Claude Code?

by unsupp0rted 1y ago

sblawrie 1y ago
You can spin up the Cursor CLI inside the terminal of your IDE of choice and not be tethered to Claude's models.
- zaphirplane 1y ago
  Is there a better agent than the anthropic one
  - NitpickLawyer 1y ago
    Depends how you define "better". Quality/breadth of tasks/capabilities? Probably not (TBD how gpt5 will fare, colleagues were saying that it was better at some frontend tasks than claude4 in the alpha/beta horizon tests). But if you take speed/availability/cost into account, there might be "better" offers out there. I did some tests w/ windsurf when they announced their swe1 and swe1-lite models, and the -lite could handle easy tasks pretty well. I also tested 4.1-mini and 4.1-nano. There are tasks that I could see them handle reliably enough to make sense (and they're fast, cheap and don't throttle you).
  - alwillis 1y ago
    You can already use non-Anthropic models with Claude Code with tools like Claude Code Router [1]. [1]: https://github.com/musistudio/claude-code-router https://github.com/musistudio/claude-code-router
  - rvnx 1y ago
    No
jstummbillig 1y ago
I am so curious to know. Why is Cursor not just putting whatever this supposedly does better into... Cursor?
- jonplackett 1y ago
  To compete with Claude code
  - jstummbillig 1y ago
    They are competing with Claude Code already. The competition is not over who can built the nicest CLI.
    - _betty_ 1y ago
      They now compete in a larger market - non vscode users
- anthonypasq 1y ago
  i dont think it actually does anything better than the chat window in the editor. its strictly worse tbh. it just lets you not be tied to a VSCode interface for editing.im sure Jetbrains diehards would very much appreciate this, but honestly i will find it hard to utilize given the fact Cursor's tab auto-complete is so amazing.
bangaladore 1y ago
Many of these companies are realizing that mainline VSCode is a moat of sorts. I and many people I know won't use any of these that require forking VSCode. With the benefit that you can also pull in people who don't like using VSCode such as people who use Jetbrains or terminal based code editors.
gorjusborg 1y ago
Flip your thinking around for a second and consider why an IDE is required for an agent that codes for you? The IDE/editor is for me, the agent doesn't need it. That also means I am not forced to used whatever imperfect forked IDE the agent is implemented against.
- worldsayshi 1y ago
  > why an IDE is required for an agent that codes for you Because the agents aren't yet good enough for a hands off experience. You have to continuously monitor what it does if you want a passable code base.
  - tsvetkov 1y ago
    Sure, but monitoring, reviewing and steering does not really require modern IDEs in their current form. Also, I'm sure agents can benefit from parts of IDE functionality (navigation, static analysis, integration with build tools, codebase indexing, ...), but they sure don't need the UI. And without UI those parts can become simpler, more composable and more portable (being compatible with multiple agent tools). IMO another way to think about CLI agentic coding tools as of new form of IDEs.
    - imp0cat 1y ago
      As was already mentioned elsewhere, Emacs + Magit to monitor incoming changes is a great combo.
    - apwell23 1y ago
      yes i am rejigging my whole vim setup Following are now stars of my workflow * Git plugins - Diffview, gitsigns, fugitive * Claude Code plugin / Terminals with claude code * Neovim sessions * Git worktrees Editing focused workflows have taken an backseat * LSP * Vim motion and editing efficiency * File navigation * Layouts
      - ricericerice 1y ago
nojs 1y ago
So you can use an IDE other than VS code.
ygouzerh 1y ago
Actually, I think where Claude Code shines, is with the VSCode Extension. It's a great mix between a CLI that could be used in a bash script for automation, as well as a coding assistant. I haven't found however if Cursor cli provides this kind of extension

What's the benefit of this compared to the IDE? To be more like Claude Code?

sblawrie 1y ago

You can spin up the Cursor CLI inside the terminal of your IDE of choice and not be tethered to Claude's models.

zaphirplane 1y ago
Is there a better agent than the anthropic one
- NitpickLawyer 1y ago
  Depends how you define "better". Quality/breadth of tasks/capabilities? Probably not (TBD how gpt5 will fare, colleagues were saying that it was better at some frontend tasks than claude4 in the alpha/beta horizon tests). But if you take speed/availability/cost into account, there might be "better" offers out there. I did some tests w/ windsurf when they announced their swe1 and swe1-lite models, and the -lite could handle easy tasks pretty well. I also tested 4.1-mini and 4.1-nano. There are tasks that I could see them handle reliably enough to make sense (and they're fast, cheap and don't throttle you).
- alwillis 1y ago
  You can already use non-Anthropic models with Claude Code with tools like Claude Code Router [1]. [1]: https://github.com/musistudio/claude-code-router https://github.com/musistudio/claude-code-router
- rvnx 1y ago
  No

jstummbillig 1y ago

I am so curious to know. Why is Cursor not just putting whatever this supposedly does better into... Cursor?

jonplackett 1y ago
To compete with Claude code
- jstummbillig 1y ago
  They are competing with Claude Code already. The competition is not over who can built the nicest CLI.
  - _betty_ 1y ago
    They now compete in a larger market - non vscode users
anthonypasq 1y ago
i dont think it actually does anything better than the chat window in the editor. its strictly worse tbh. it just lets you not be tied to a VSCode interface for editing.im sure Jetbrains diehards would very much appreciate this, but honestly i will find it hard to utilize given the fact Cursor's tab auto-complete is so amazing.

bangaladore 1y ago

Many of these companies are realizing that mainline VSCode is a moat of sorts. I and many people I know won't use any of these that require forking VSCode. With the benefit that you can also pull in people who don't like using VSCode such as people who use Jetbrains or terminal based code editors.

gorjusborg 1y ago

Flip your thinking around for a second and consider why an IDE is required for an agent that codes for you? The IDE/editor is for me, the agent doesn't need it. That also means I am not forced to used whatever imperfect forked IDE the agent is implemented against.

worldsayshi 1y ago
> why an IDE is required for an agent that codes for you Because the agents aren't yet good enough for a hands off experience. You have to continuously monitor what it does if you want a passable code base.
- tsvetkov 1y ago
  Sure, but monitoring, reviewing and steering does not really require modern IDEs in their current form. Also, I'm sure agents can benefit from parts of IDE functionality (navigation, static analysis, integration with build tools, codebase indexing, ...), but they sure don't need the UI. And without UI those parts can become simpler, more composable and more portable (being compatible with multiple agent tools). IMO another way to think about CLI agentic coding tools as of new form of IDEs.
  - imp0cat 1y ago
    As was already mentioned elsewhere, Emacs + Magit to monitor incoming changes is a great combo.
  - apwell23 1y ago
    yes i am rejigging my whole vim setup Following are now stars of my workflow * Git plugins - Diffview, gitsigns, fugitive * Claude Code plugin / Terminals with claude code * Neovim sessions * Git worktrees Editing focused workflows have taken an backseat * LSP * Vim motion and editing efficiency * File navigation * Layouts
    - ricericerice 1y ago

nojs 1y ago

So you can use an IDE other than VS code.

ygouzerh 1y ago

Actually, I think where Claude Code shines, is with the VSCode Extension. It's a great mix between a CLI that could be used in a bash script for automation, as well as a coding assistant. I haven't found however if Cursor cli provides this kind of extension