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We’re at the audiophile stage of LLMs where people are talking about the improved soundstage, tonality, reduced sibilance etc
by pram 1y ago
We’re at the audiophile stage of LLMs where people are talking about the improved soundstage, tonality, reduced sibilance etc
- javchz 1y agoI can already see LLMs Sommeliers: Yes, the mouthfeel and punch of GPT-5 it's comparable to the one of Grok 4, but it's tenderness lacks the crunch from Gemini 2.5 Pro.
- 0x7cfe 1y agoIsn't it exactly what the typical LLM discourse is about? People are just throwing anecdotes and stay with their opinion. A is better than B because C, and that's basically it. And whoever tries to actually bench them gets called out because all benches are gamed. Go figure.
- jaredcwhite 1y agoNote GPT-5's subtle mouthfeel reminiscent of cranberries with a touch of bourbon.
- __loam 1y agoEvery bourbon tastes the same unless it's Weller, King's County Peated, or Pappy (or Jim Beam for the wrong reasons lol)
- alephnerd 1y agoTbh, a mid-shelf Four Roses gets you 90% of the way to a upper shelf Weller.
- __loam 1y agoI'm being hyperbolic but yeah four roses is probably the best deal next to Buffalo trace. All their stuff is fairly priced. If you want something like Weller though, you should get another wheated bourbon like Maker's Mark French oaked.
- alephnerd 1y agoBuffalo trace is ridiculously overpriced nowadays. Good bourbon, but def not worth $35-40 for 750ml. > you should get another wheated bourbon like Maker's Mark French oaked I agree. I've found Maker Mark products to be a great bang for your buck quality wise and flavor wise as well.
- __loam 1y agoIf you can find Buffalo Trace for msrp which is $20-30, it's a good deal. I think the bourbon "market" kind of popped recently so finding things has been getting a little easier.
- alephnerd 1y agoYep! I agree! At MSRP BT is a great buy. > I think the bourbon "market" kind of popped recently It def did. The overproduction that was invested in during the peak of the COVID collector boom is coming into markets now. I think we'll see some well priced age stated products in the next 3-4 years based on by acquaintances in the space. Ofc, the elephant in the room is consolidation - everyone wants to copy the LVMH model (and they say Europeans are ethical elves who never use underhanded mopolistic and market making behavior to corner markets /s).
- alephnerd 1y agoExplains why I find AGI fundamentalists similar to tater heads. /s (Not to undermine progress in the foundational model space, but there is a lack of appreciation for the democratization of domain specific models amongst HNers).
- Q6T46nT668w6i3m 1y agoIt’s always been this way with LLMs.
- catigula 1y agoInformed audiophiles rely on Klippel output now
- bobson381 1y agoThe empirical ones do! There's still a healthy sports car element to the scene though, at least in my experience.
- catigula 1y agoYou're right, it's hard to admit you can buy a $50 speaker and sub and EQ it to 95% maximum performance.
- riknos314 1y agoThis is and isn't true. The room is the limiting factor in most speaker setups. The worse the room, the sooner you hit diminishing returns for upgrading any other part of the system. In a fantastic room a $50 speaker will be nowhere near 95% of the performance of a mastering monitor, no matter how much EQ you put on it. In the average living room with less than ideal speaker and listening position placement there will still be a difference, but it will be much less apparent due to the limitations of the listening environment.
- catigula 1y agoAh, the aforementioned snake oil.
- jpc0 1y agoAbsolutely not true. You might lose headroom or have to live with higher latency but if your complaint is about actual empirical data like frequency response or phase, that can be corrected digitally.
- babypuncher 1y ago
- satyrun 1y agoCome on, we aren't even close to the level of audiophile nonsense like worrying about what cable sounds better.
- leptons 1y agoWe're still at the stage of which LLM lies the least (but they all do). So yeah, no different than audiophiles really.
- virgil_disgr4ce 1y agoWell, reduced sibilance is an ordinary and desirable thing. A better "audiophile absurdity" example would be $77,000 cables, freezing CDs to improve sound quality, using hospital-grade outlets, cryogenically frozen outlets (lol), the list goes on and on
- codeulike 1y agoI feel sorry for audiophiles because they have to work so much harder to get the same enjoyment of music that I get via my laptop speakers
- Mawr 1y agoThat's just the other extreme, which is not that much less silly. It's not unreasonable to spend 300$ on a good pair of headphones.
- virgil_disgr4ce 1y agoThe "audiophile" attitude is such that that "work" is enjoyment. It's a game, a hobby. I'm not defending the extremes of it, but it's not like these people are miserable, they enjoy doing it even if it rapidly becomes completely insane nonsense entirely detached from reality.
- BrandoElFollito 1y agoI've never thought it that way, thanks for mentioning it. I now wonder if I have any such hobbies. Probably not to the same extend as audiophiles, but some software-related stuff could come close.
- tuesdaynight 1y agoYou need to burn-in your LLM by using for 100 hours before you see the true performance of it.
- ezst 1y agoAlways have been. This LLM-centered AI boom has been my craziest and most frustrating social experiment, propped up by the rhetoric (with no evidence to back it up) that this time we finally have the keys to AGI (whatever the hell that means), and infused with enough AstroTurfing to drive the discourse into ideological stances devoid of any substance (you must either be a true believer or a naysayer). On the plus side, it appears that this hype train is taking a bump with GPT-5.