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Is it short term? Seems like the MS and the others got exactly what they wanted. Exploiting the passion for free work is a trade that will keep happening as lo

Is it short term? Seems like the MS and the others got exactly what they wanted. Exploiting the passion for free work is a trade that will keep happening as long as there are passionate inexperienced people.

yubblegum 1y ago
Sorry but have to call b.s. here. Many of us did in fact, in this very forum, kept pointing out that dumping on GPL (and the man and his ideas behind it) was a mistake and that non-gpl oss was for chumps. And we were greyed to oblivion. Same exact story as with surveillance tech. Hackernews is hugely responsible for many of the ailments of this field in 21st century. Own it.
- ArcHound 1y ago
  I don't think we're in disagreement. And it wasn't me greying people out. But yes, I see what you mean by the "spirit of HN".
- mystraline 1y ago
  > Many of us did in fact, in this very forum, kept pointing out that dumping on GPL (and the man and his ideas behind it) was a mistake and that non-gpl oss was for chumps. And we were greyed to oblivion. I'm not entirely sure that was intentional. On Reddit, it would be called 'brigading', and basically getting your corpo-techbros to -4 and flagkill posts. If done fast enough, you only need 5 500+ karma accounts to sink a post. Sometimes, I'll say something unpopular, but defensible. Its interesting to see the dramatic swings those contentious posts take.
  - yubblegum 1y ago
    The fact that the management of this forum, who are VCs, permitted such a mechanism is part of the "own it, HN" assertion. HN has baked in something like 'peter principle' into the forum. Karma Grifters who post articles that get them over the 500 points are then ala Peter Principle granted the right to 'grey out' actual thoughtful comments. Are you telling the management of this outfit never looked into this phenomena? How about ageism? Mr. Paul Graham and personality cult asserting that anyone over 20 something is no longer viable for leading edge tech work? We used to call these VCs "vulture capitalists" in the 90s. We geeks were so right about so many things in the 90s: We were right about GPL. We were right about VCs. We were right about surveillance tech. We were right about outsourcing ... But alas, "corpo-techbros" empowered by thoughtless forum software courtesy of Paul Graham and company got into this mess.
    - mystraline 1y ago
      > Are you telling the management of this outfit never looked into this phenomena? To counter, I think that HN is being used as a testcase to shove techbro and VC ideology across all of tech. And secondly, its some of the most potent tech market research. Its a textsearch goldmine. I believe YC knew what they were doing, and intentionally chose this course of action. I'm guessing you're not in the VC or founder club. I only found about that https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented > Additionally, founders of YC companies see each other's usernames show up in orange, which — although not an explicit benefit — does allow fellow YC founders to immediately identify one another in discussions. Even with the significant bias here, I still read it. I also read lobsters as well, which is here minus techbro insanity.
      - yubblegum 1y ago
        > I believe YC knew what they were doing, and intentionally chose this course of action. Seems plausible. They certainly are not dummies. They just have a different 'value system'. So, yeah. (Thanks for lobsters tip. til.)
        jondwillis 1y ago
        They definitely know now, even if it wasn’t the original intent.
        immibis 1y ago
        How do you get an account though...
    - Dylan16807 1y ago
      > Karma Grifters who post articles that get them over the 500 points are then ala Peter Principle granted the right to 'grey out' actual thoughtful comments. You've stretched that analogy past the breaking point. Downvotes barely change your role and there's nowhere else to go up from there regardless of your posting quality. Peter Principle does not apply.
- immibis 1y ago
  HN sentiment is still the same today: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44810780 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44810780 although the comment isn't greyed yet. According to HN, it's literally impossible to use GPL software and any sentiment against corporations is communist brainwashing.

yubblegum 1y ago

Sorry but have to call b.s. here. Many of us did in fact, in this very forum, kept pointing out that dumping on GPL (and the man and his ideas behind it) was a mistake and that non-gpl oss was for chumps. And we were greyed to oblivion. Same exact story as with surveillance tech. Hackernews is hugely responsible for many of the ailments of this field in 21st century. Own it.

ArcHound 1y ago
I don't think we're in disagreement. And it wasn't me greying people out. But yes, I see what you mean by the "spirit of HN".
mystraline 1y ago
> Many of us did in fact, in this very forum, kept pointing out that dumping on GPL (and the man and his ideas behind it) was a mistake and that non-gpl oss was for chumps. And we were greyed to oblivion. I'm not entirely sure that was intentional. On Reddit, it would be called 'brigading', and basically getting your corpo-techbros to -4 and flagkill posts. If done fast enough, you only need 5 500+ karma accounts to sink a post. Sometimes, I'll say something unpopular, but defensible. Its interesting to see the dramatic swings those contentious posts take.
- yubblegum 1y ago
  The fact that the management of this forum, who are VCs, permitted such a mechanism is part of the "own it, HN" assertion. HN has baked in something like 'peter principle' into the forum. Karma Grifters who post articles that get them over the 500 points are then ala Peter Principle granted the right to 'grey out' actual thoughtful comments. Are you telling the management of this outfit never looked into this phenomena? How about ageism? Mr. Paul Graham and personality cult asserting that anyone over 20 something is no longer viable for leading edge tech work? We used to call these VCs "vulture capitalists" in the 90s. We geeks were so right about so many things in the 90s: We were right about GPL. We were right about VCs. We were right about surveillance tech. We were right about outsourcing ... But alas, "corpo-techbros" empowered by thoughtless forum software courtesy of Paul Graham and company got into this mess.
  - mystraline 1y ago
    > Are you telling the management of this outfit never looked into this phenomena? To counter, I think that HN is being used as a testcase to shove techbro and VC ideology across all of tech. And secondly, its some of the most potent tech market research. Its a textsearch goldmine. I believe YC knew what they were doing, and intentionally chose this course of action. I'm guessing you're not in the VC or founder club. I only found about that https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented > Additionally, founders of YC companies see each other's usernames show up in orange, which — although not an explicit benefit — does allow fellow YC founders to immediately identify one another in discussions. Even with the significant bias here, I still read it. I also read lobsters as well, which is here minus techbro insanity.
    - yubblegum 1y ago
      > I believe YC knew what they were doing, and intentionally chose this course of action. Seems plausible. They certainly are not dummies. They just have a different 'value system'. So, yeah. (Thanks for lobsters tip. til.)
      - jondwillis 1y ago
        They definitely know now, even if it wasn’t the original intent.
      - immibis 1y ago
        How do you get an account though...
  - Dylan16807 1y ago
    > Karma Grifters who post articles that get them over the 500 points are then ala Peter Principle granted the right to 'grey out' actual thoughtful comments. You've stretched that analogy past the breaking point. Downvotes barely change your role and there's nowhere else to go up from there regardless of your posting quality. Peter Principle does not apply.
immibis 1y ago
HN sentiment is still the same today: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44810780 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44810780 although the comment isn't greyed yet. According to HN, it's literally impossible to use GPL software and any sentiment against corporations is communist brainwashing.