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I won't trust the Congress. Far left and far right are both pushing for more censorship

nso 1y ago
The US barely has any genuinely left-wing politicians (Bernie Sanders, AOC, DSA). There are no one who realistically could be called far left in any significant position of governing power.
- mullingitover 1y ago
  Even these are not far left, they're just basic liberal left. Which groups or media that are commonly labeled 'far left' that are calling for nationalizing all land. Or eliminating all inheritances. Or nationalizing all communications and transportation industries. Or nationalizing the Federal Reserve (that one's really gone horseshoe theory, and is a republican plan now). The only thing 'far left' people want to nationalize is health care, and that's simply the fiscally responsible policy. The thing that is crushing the federal budget is the obscene level of graft occurring in that industry, and the only way out is to nationalize or otherwise burn the existing system to the ground via government policy.
  - zdragnar 1y ago
    The meaning of words can change over time and across space. The meaning of left and right in US politics encompasses more topics than the matter of who may legally own things. Pretending that those referred to as left and right are all the same because the only true scottsman is Karl Marx is silly.
    - stuaxo 1y ago
      There's a whole bunch of socialism to the right of *!=) Marx and the left of classic liberalism. Words have meaning, trying to characterise "far left" as some sort of US caricature of Blue haired liberal types is less than useful and only serves right wing outlets. There is very little left wing discourse in the US.
    - mullingitover 1y ago
      GP was saying that there are hardly far left politicians, saying that the few that exist are Sanders/AOC/DSA. I was just pointing out that even these are not actual socialists, they're Democratic Socialists of the stripe you find in the mainstream in a lot of staunchly capitalist European nations. There are definitely zero literal far-left politicians, objectively speaking. Socialist/social democrat are two related but distinct concepts are confusing for those not versed in political science, but their definitions have certainly not changed: democratic socialists for example don't advocate for communal ownership or central planning. The actual policies put forward by DSA candidates in the US, viewed through a political science analysis, are vanilla liberal. The only thing making them 'far left' is that actual far right monied interests have systematically dragged the Overton Window into a place where "public figure performing the Nazi salute on the capitol steps" is "controversial, in some circles" rather than "immediately career-ending."
      - nso 1y ago
        The list i provided was of left wing politicians. There are zero far left wing politicians in the US Congress. The far left is literally anti capitalist marxists.
      - rob74 1y ago
        Yes - the Overton window in the US has shifted so far right that a Nazi salute is more or less mainstream, whereas democratic socialists like Sanders/AOC are now "far left". And judges who dare block Trump's actions are, of course, "radical left lunatics" (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/federal-judge-targeted-trump-impeachment-bipartisan-appointee-three-de-rcna196954 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/federal-judge...).
rambojohnson 1y ago
what far left are you talking about exactly?
- pembrook 1y ago
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  - chimeracoder 1y ago
    > They may not be in the zeitgeist anymore but they would still love to ruin your life & career for not doing a land acknowledgement before you step into every public space. Complaining about land acknowledgements as an example of the "far left" tells me that you don't actually have a handle on what the left actually looks like, as opposed to how it's portrayed through right-wing outlets. First, there is literally nobody who would "ruin your life" for not doing a land acknowledgement, but also, the people doing land acknowledgements in 2025 are not the "far left". They're not even the left. Most leftist organizations don't do land acknowledgements at all! EDIT: Since you updated your comment to include another favorite whipping boy: > they would still love to ruin your life & career for not doing a land acknowledgement and pronoun announcement before stepping into public spaces Again, "the left" is not ruining your life for not doing a "pronoun announcement", because they don't want pronoun announcements to be required in the first place, and in fact voice serious complaints whenever they are. Both of the things you mention as examples of the "far left" - mandatory land acknowledgements and pronoun announcements - are things which you will find in very few actual leftist spaces. Where you will find them, however, is in mainstream spaces run by centrist or small-c "conservative" people, like corporate HR meetings. You will also, incidentally, see them on far-right media, which happens to be extremely obsessed with the concept of these things representing the left, despite the fact that actual leftists rejected them years ago.
    - pembrook 1y ago
      No true scotsman fallacy. Just because you consider yourself left and never cared about those things doesn't mean there aren't leftists who do. There's about 50 different far left interest groups who care about different pet issues to varying degrees of insanity, just as there are on the far right.
01HNNWZ0MV43FF 1y ago
Just pass the law yourself I guess? (imagine a muscly arm emoji here)
krunck 1y ago
Far left not needed. The center left will gladly do it.
jibe 1y ago
This is a case where left and right can work together for totally different reasons. The left is fighting for rape porn in video games, and the right doesn’t want gun stores definanced. Both win with credit platform neutrality.
seangrogg 1y ago
Center shit, not censorship.

nso 1y ago

The US barely has any genuinely left-wing politicians (Bernie Sanders, AOC, DSA). There are no one who realistically could be called far left in any significant position of governing power.

mullingitover 1y ago
Even these are not far left, they're just basic liberal left. Which groups or media that are commonly labeled 'far left' that are calling for nationalizing all land. Or eliminating all inheritances. Or nationalizing all communications and transportation industries. Or nationalizing the Federal Reserve (that one's really gone horseshoe theory, and is a republican plan now). The only thing 'far left' people want to nationalize is health care, and that's simply the fiscally responsible policy. The thing that is crushing the federal budget is the obscene level of graft occurring in that industry, and the only way out is to nationalize or otherwise burn the existing system to the ground via government policy.
- zdragnar 1y ago
  The meaning of words can change over time and across space. The meaning of left and right in US politics encompasses more topics than the matter of who may legally own things. Pretending that those referred to as left and right are all the same because the only true scottsman is Karl Marx is silly.
  - stuaxo 1y ago
    There's a whole bunch of socialism to the right of *!=) Marx and the left of classic liberalism. Words have meaning, trying to characterise "far left" as some sort of US caricature of Blue haired liberal types is less than useful and only serves right wing outlets. There is very little left wing discourse in the US.
  - mullingitover 1y ago
    GP was saying that there are hardly far left politicians, saying that the few that exist are Sanders/AOC/DSA. I was just pointing out that even these are not actual socialists, they're Democratic Socialists of the stripe you find in the mainstream in a lot of staunchly capitalist European nations. There are definitely zero literal far-left politicians, objectively speaking. Socialist/social democrat are two related but distinct concepts are confusing for those not versed in political science, but their definitions have certainly not changed: democratic socialists for example don't advocate for communal ownership or central planning. The actual policies put forward by DSA candidates in the US, viewed through a political science analysis, are vanilla liberal. The only thing making them 'far left' is that actual far right monied interests have systematically dragged the Overton Window into a place where "public figure performing the Nazi salute on the capitol steps" is "controversial, in some circles" rather than "immediately career-ending."
    - nso 1y ago
      The list i provided was of left wing politicians. There are zero far left wing politicians in the US Congress. The far left is literally anti capitalist marxists.
    - rob74 1y ago
      Yes - the Overton window in the US has shifted so far right that a Nazi salute is more or less mainstream, whereas democratic socialists like Sanders/AOC are now "far left". And judges who dare block Trump's actions are, of course, "radical left lunatics" (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/federal-judge-targeted-trump-impeachment-bipartisan-appointee-three-de-rcna196954 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/federal-judge...).

rambojohnson 1y ago

what far left are you talking about exactly?

pembrook 1y ago
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- chimeracoder 1y ago
  > They may not be in the zeitgeist anymore but they would still love to ruin your life & career for not doing a land acknowledgement before you step into every public space. Complaining about land acknowledgements as an example of the "far left" tells me that you don't actually have a handle on what the left actually looks like, as opposed to how it's portrayed through right-wing outlets. First, there is literally nobody who would "ruin your life" for not doing a land acknowledgement, but also, the people doing land acknowledgements in 2025 are not the "far left". They're not even the left. Most leftist organizations don't do land acknowledgements at all! EDIT: Since you updated your comment to include another favorite whipping boy: > they would still love to ruin your life & career for not doing a land acknowledgement and pronoun announcement before stepping into public spaces Again, "the left" is not ruining your life for not doing a "pronoun announcement", because they don't want pronoun announcements to be required in the first place, and in fact voice serious complaints whenever they are. Both of the things you mention as examples of the "far left" - mandatory land acknowledgements and pronoun announcements - are things which you will find in very few actual leftist spaces. Where you will find them, however, is in mainstream spaces run by centrist or small-c "conservative" people, like corporate HR meetings. You will also, incidentally, see them on far-right media, which happens to be extremely obsessed with the concept of these things representing the left, despite the fact that actual leftists rejected them years ago.
  - pembrook 1y ago
    No true scotsman fallacy. Just because you consider yourself left and never cared about those things doesn't mean there aren't leftists who do. There's about 50 different far left interest groups who care about different pet issues to varying degrees of insanity, just as there are on the far right.

01HNNWZ0MV43FF 1y ago

Just pass the law yourself I guess? (imagine a muscly arm emoji here)

krunck 1y ago

Far left not needed. The center left will gladly do it.

jibe 1y ago

This is a case where left and right can work together for totally different reasons. The left is fighting for rape porn in video games, and the right doesn’t want gun stores definanced. Both win with credit platform neutrality.

seangrogg 1y ago

Center shit, not censorship.