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> No evidence is given that they won't implement non-Google remote attestation solutions like https://attestation.app/about https://attestation.app/about Unfor

> No evidence is given that they won't implement non-Google remote attestation solutions like https://attestation.app/about https://attestation.app/about Unfortunate that it doesn't matter, because they're not going to accept anything that's not attested by some authority. Attestation in itself is a bad thing, guaranteed to be horrifically abused in ways far, far worse than any problem it could possibly solve. You do not need to know what software I am running, period.

lern_too_spel 1y ago
> You do not need to know what software I am running, period. Your employer needs to know if your devices connected to its network have been rooted without your knowledge. In any case, this is a completely different discussion from what OP alleged, which I hope we can all agree is completely false.
- Dylan16807 1y ago
  My employer needs to know if their devices have been rooted. My devices should be on guest wifi or not connected at all.
  - lern_too_spel 1y ago
    So you agree, in a needlessly antagonistic way.
    - Dylan16807 1y ago
      I'm not trying to be antagonistic, I'm just trying to make it very clear that nobody else should have a say in my device. And a check for rooting against my knowledge probably becomes a check for rooting at all very quickly.
      - lern_too_spel 1y ago
        You agreed that your employer should be able to check that the devices you use to connect to its network are not rooted. You quibbled over the definition of "your device" against the HN guidelines. When you ask most people whose phone or laptop is on a table, they'll say it's theirs, not that it's Company X's device that they are using to do work for that company. "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize."
        Dylan16807 1y ago
        > You agreed that your employer should be able to check that the devices you use to connect to its network are not rooted. Okay I see the issue. No I do not agree with that. I'm saying if they want that guarantee then they can isolate the network. But if they don't isolate the network then it's all on them, they do not get to check all devices. That's why my point is not just a quibble. Also responding to the strongest interpretation sometimes means making that interpretation explicit, to make sure everyone is on the same page. In this case making the actual ownership clear. I'm not trying to dunk on you or whatever.
        lern_too_spel 1y ago
        > But if they don't isolate the network then it's all on them, they do not get to check all devices. This is a ridiculous point to think that I disagreed about. Of course they don't get to check that your TV and your washing machine have been rooted. I explicitly specified your devices connected to your employer's network. You're trying to interpret this in a way that doesn't make sense simply to find a point of disagreement where there is none.
        Dylan16807 1y ago
        Ha, now I feel like you're going out of your way to misinterpret me. "the network" is the same network we've been talking about the entire conversation. Employer's network. Obviously they can't control what I plug into a network they don't know about, I don't know why you think I was trying to argue that or how it's the strongest interpretation of my comment.

lern_too_spel 1y ago

> You do not need to know what software I am running, period. Your employer needs to know if your devices connected to its network have been rooted without your knowledge. In any case, this is a completely different discussion from what OP alleged, which I hope we can all agree is completely false.

Dylan16807 1y ago
My employer needs to know if their devices have been rooted. My devices should be on guest wifi or not connected at all.
- lern_too_spel 1y ago
  So you agree, in a needlessly antagonistic way.
  - Dylan16807 1y ago
    I'm not trying to be antagonistic, I'm just trying to make it very clear that nobody else should have a say in my device. And a check for rooting against my knowledge probably becomes a check for rooting at all very quickly.
    - lern_too_spel 1y ago
      You agreed that your employer should be able to check that the devices you use to connect to its network are not rooted. You quibbled over the definition of "your device" against the HN guidelines. When you ask most people whose phone or laptop is on a table, they'll say it's theirs, not that it's Company X's device that they are using to do work for that company. "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize."
      - Dylan16807 1y ago
        > You agreed that your employer should be able to check that the devices you use to connect to its network are not rooted. Okay I see the issue. No I do not agree with that. I'm saying if they want that guarantee then they can isolate the network. But if they don't isolate the network then it's all on them, they do not get to check all devices. That's why my point is not just a quibble. Also responding to the strongest interpretation sometimes means making that interpretation explicit, to make sure everyone is on the same page. In this case making the actual ownership clear. I'm not trying to dunk on you or whatever.
        lern_too_spel 1y ago
        > But if they don't isolate the network then it's all on them, they do not get to check all devices. This is a ridiculous point to think that I disagreed about. Of course they don't get to check that your TV and your washing machine have been rooted. I explicitly specified your devices connected to your employer's network. You're trying to interpret this in a way that doesn't make sense simply to find a point of disagreement where there is none.
        Dylan16807 1y ago
        Ha, now I feel like you're going out of your way to misinterpret me. "the network" is the same network we've been talking about the entire conversation. Employer's network. Obviously they can't control what I plug into a network they don't know about, I don't know why you think I was trying to argue that or how it's the strongest interpretation of my comment.