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This is being pushed by an Australian Feminist organization, not the American Religious Right.
by some_random 1y ago
This is being pushed by an Australian Feminist organization, not the American Religious Right.
- righthand 1y agoYou may want to take a look at how feminist that organization actually is.
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- some_random 1y agoThere is a huge sex-negative feminist school of thought, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
- righthand 1y agoI never declared it doesn’t exist? Let me respond with your attacking-style: Just because you like it doesn’t mean it’s representative of feminism at large. It doesn’t mean it’s not a conservative think tank hiding behind a veil of feminism.
- bluescrn 1y agoThese days there seems to be a fair bit of sex-inconsistent feminism. With something like OnlyFans, where there's money to be made, the 'sex work is real work!' slogan comes out. And there's a reluctance to criticise big porn sites even after claims of links to sex trafficking etc. But at the same time, scantily-clad videogame characters designed to appeal to the male gaze are deemed unacceptable/objectifying/regressive. And 'sex robots' are seen as a horrifying prospect.
- some_random 1y agoThere's a range of views from a range of people, that's no surprise. That said, the common perception of men who pay for sex work (especially OF) is extremely negative, they are marks who deserve it. Meanwhile there is no such perception of men who pay for traditional media.
- the_af 1y ago> There is a huge sex-negative feminist school of thought, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The specific organization we're discussing is not feminist. It's religious conservative, using some of the trappings of feminism.
- some_random 1y agoIs it? The religious conservative organizations I've seen are also wringing their hands over other media as well such as smut or that shitty netflix show, while this one appears to be ambivalent to supportive.
- the_af 1y ago> Is it? Yes, it is. Let me see: they seem to receive funding from evangelical organizations; the founder speaks/writes at Christian venues and is pro-life, anti-gay/trans; they are targeting games because that's what they happen to focus on right now. They've also campaigned against Rap music and artists in the past. They managed to get articles critical of them pulled from VICE, etc. Their modus operandi is typical of religious conservatives.
- cosmic_cheese 1y agoThe group bills themselves as feminist, but aligns with the religious right in most of their policies. They’re directly at odds with many things feminists have fought for.
- some_random 1y agoI agree completely that they align with the religious right in this aspect, but you can't pretend that sex-negativity isn't a huge school of thought in feminism. Vague calls to "stop the sexualization of women in media (aimed at hetrosexual men)" have been a huge part of the casual feminist suite of views for at least a decade.
- sjsdaiuasgdia 1y agoIt's interesting that you equate opposition to sexualization of women in media with sex negativity. One does not necessarily imply the other. You can be sex positive and believe that media sexualizes women to a problematic degree.
- some_random 1y agoThere's a reason I wrote "casual feminist suite of views" because while they two are very closely linked they are indeed separate.
- Dweller1622 1y agoCan you give me an example of this? As far as I understand it sex positivity doesn't seem to be concerned with "media sexualizing women" in and of itself. Consequently I'm not sure what "media [that] sexualizes women to a problematic degree" is or would even look like.
- nosignono 1y agoIt has to do with agency, primarily. Is the character in the media given the agency and depth necessary to support their sexual appetites? Or are they treated like an object by the camera, a 2 dimensional cutout whose purpose is only to be an object. Compare, for example, Sex and the City, where 4 women were regularly engaged in a variety of sexual encounters and say, background dancers in a music video or advert that exist to appeal as objects to a male audience.
- numpad0 1y agoI see Mormon(LDS) churches occasionally mentioned on these topics. The Australian cult angle had only surfaced during the last week or so.
- nemomarx 1y agoI believe they get funding from evangelical orgs though and you have to assume MasterCard is willing and cooperating here to some extent
- the_af 1y ago> This is being pushed by an Australian Feminist organization, not the American Religious Right. The founder is Christian and writes and speaks in Christian venues and publications. She's not a "feminist" by any reasonable and modern definition of the word.
- BJones12 1y agoBeing Christian does not mean one is not feminist. This person seems to advocate for a multitude of things including ones that are historically feminist (of at least one commonly accepted variety of feminism). Those advocations make it reasonable to call her a feminist.
- the_af 1y agoI didn't mean that one cannot be a Christian and a feminist. I meant that this person chooses Christian venues to voice her opinions, and shares with them non-feminist values such as being "pro life", etc. Hers is not a feminist organization, and Collective Shout is perceived by some as a right-wing group seeking to also ban LGTB+ depictions in videogames (which is not standard feminist agenda). Like another commenter mentioned, Collective Shout receives funding from evangelical organizations. And really, you have to ask yourself: since when exactly payment processors paid any attention to what genuine feminist organizations had to say about anything? At some point you cannot ignore the evidence anymore. At best you can point the non-empty intersection of conservative Christian groups and some sex-negative feminists who both seek to ban pornography, but this doesn't make them the same thing. TL;DR this is a variation of "will somebody think of the children!?" pearl-clutching, and everyone should know by now it doesn't lead to anything good.
- baobabKoodaa 1y agoIt's unfathomable that an Australian Feminist organization wields this much power in the U.S. and globally. It seems more likely that this is a front.
- tumsfestival 1y agoYou're not wrong. I read a couple days ago that this group receives funding from evangelical organizations to do stunts like this. I don't know if the intention is to false flag feminists as responsible, but it sure seems like it.
- johnnyanmac 1y agoThe processors had this bias for decades. Some calls that already conform to what they want to do needs less nudging than proper consumer rights.