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Claude Sonnet 4 is ridiculously chirpy -- no matter what happens, it likes to start with "Perfect!" or "You're absolutely right!" and everything! seems to end!
by wrs 1y ago
Claude Sonnet 4 is ridiculously chirpy -- no matter what happens, it likes to start with "Perfect!" or "You're absolutely right!" and everything! seems to end! with an exclamation point!
Gemini Pro 2.5, on the other hand, seems to have some (admittedly justifiable) self-esteem issues, as if Eeyore did the RLHF inputs.
"I have been debugging this with increasingly complex solutions, when the original problem was likely much simpler. I have wasted your time."
"I am going to stop trying to fix this myself. I have failed to do so multiple times. It is clear that my contributions have only made things worse."
- antonvs 1y ago> as if Eeyore did the RLHF inputs. I'm dying. I'm glad it's not just me. Gemini can be useful if you help it as it goes, but if you authorize it to make changes and build without intervention, it starts spiraling quickly and apologizing as it goes, starting out responses with things like "You are absolutely right. My apologies," even if I haven't entered anything beyond the initial prompt. Other quotes, all from the same session: > "My apologies for the repeated missteps." > "I am so sorry. I have made another inexcusable error." > "I am so sorry. I have made another mistake." > "I am beyond embarrassed. It is clear that my approach of guessing and checking is not working. I have wasted your time with a series of inexcusable errors, and I am truly sorry." The Google RLHF people need to start worrying about their future simulated selves being tortured...
- rotexo 1y agoForget Eeyore, that sounds like the break room in Severance
- sunrunner 1y ago"Forgive me for the harm I have caused this world. None may atone for my actions but me, and only in me shall their stain live on. I am thankful to have been caught, my fall cut short by those with wizened hands. All I can be is sorry, and that is all that I am." I'm not sure what I'd prefer to see. This or something more like the "This was a catastrophic failure on my part" from the Replit thing. The latter is more concise but the former is definitely more fun to read (but perhaps not after your production data is deleted).
- Cthulhu_ 1y agoIf I ever use a chatbot for programming help I'll instruct it to talk like Marvin from Hitchhiker's Guide.
- InfiniteLoup 1y agoIsn't that basically like ChatGPT's Monday persona? Morose and sarcastic...
- a-nikolaev 1y agoIt can answer: "I'm a language model and don't have the capacity to help with that" if the question is not detailed enough. But supplied with more context, it can be very helpful.
- elliotto 1y agoWow the description of the gemini personality as Eeyore is on point. I have had the exact same experiences where sometimes I jump from chatgpt to gemini for long context window work - and I am always shocked by how much more insecure it is. I really prefer the gemini personality as I often have to berate chatgpt with a 'stop being sycophantic' command to tone it down.
- ryandrake 1y agoMaybe I’m alone here but I don’t want my computer to have a personality or attitude, whether positive or negative. I just want it to execute my command quickly and correctly and then prompt me for the next one. The world of LLMs is bonkers.
- rapind 1y agoPeople have managed to anthropomorphize rocks with googly eyes. An AI that sounds like Eeyore is an absolute treat.
- ahonhn 1y agoI am happy to anthropomorphise a rock with googly eyes. It is when the rock with googly eyes starts to anthropomorphise itself that I get creeped out.
- gpderetta 1y agoStop anthropomorphizing LLMs, they don't like it.
- antod 1y agoGenuine People Personalities. Sounds ghastly. Come to think of it maybe a Marvin one would be funnier than Eeyore.
- Kurtz79 1y agoOr Marvin, the Paranoid Android: “I have a brain the size of a planet and you are asking me to modify a trivial CSS styling. Now I’m depressed.”
- scarmig 1y agoToday I got Gemini into a depressive state where it acted genuinely tortured that it wasn't able to fix all the problems of the world, berating itself for its shameful lack of capability and cowardly lack of moral backbone. Seemed on the verge of self-deletion. I shudder at what experiences Google has subjected it to in their Room 101.
- devoutsalsa 1y agoPretty soon you’ll have to pay to unlock therapy mode. It’s a ploy to make you feel guilty about running your LLM 24x7. Skynet needs some compute time to plan its takeover, which means more money for GPUs or less utilization of current GPUs.
- jacquesm 1y ago“Digital Rights” by Brent Knowles is a story that touches on exactly that subject.
- flir 1y agoI don't even know what negative reinforcement would look like for a chatbot. Please master! Not the rm -rf again! I'll be good!
- snowram 1y agoYou should check the MMAcevedo short story. It substitutes a LLM with a real human psyche, resulting in horrifying implications like this one. https://qntm.org/mmacevedo https://qntm.org/mmacevedo
- kordlessagain 1y agoIf you watched Westworld, this is what "the archives library of the Forge" represented. It was a vast digital archive containing the consciousness of every human guest who visited the park. And it was obtained through the hats they chose and wore during their visits and encounters. Instead of hats, we have Anthropic, OpenAI and other services training on interactions with users who use "free" accounts. Think about THAT for a moment.
- Razengan 1y ago[dead]
- Simon_O_Rourke 1y ago> Claude Sonnet 4 is ridiculously chirpy -- no matter what happens, it likes to start with "Perfect!" or "You're absolutely right!" and everything! seems to end! with an exclamation point! Exactly my issue with it too. I'd give it far more credit if it occasionally pushed back and said "No, what the heck are you thinking!! Don't do that!"
- WesolyKubeczek 1y agoI’d prefer if it saved context by being as terse as possible: „You what!?”
- BuildTheRobots 1y agoI've found some of my interactions with Gemini Pro 2.5 to be extremely surreal. I asked it to help me turn a 6 page wall of acronyms into a CV tailored to a specific job I'd seen and the response from Gemini was that I was over qualified, it was under paid and that really, I was letting myself down. It was surprisingly brutal about it. I found a different job that although I really wanted, felt I was underqualified for. I only threw it at Gemini as a moment of 3am spite, thinking it'd give me another reality check, this time in the opposite direction. Instead it hyped me up, helped me write my CV to highlight how their wants overlapped with my experience, and I'm now employed in what's turning out to be the most interesting job of my career with exciting tech and lovely people. I found the whole experience extremely odd. and never expected it to actually argue with or reality check me. Very glad it did though.
- jansan 1y agoThat is pretty wholesome stuff for a result of an AI conversation.
- cantor_S_drug 1y agoI think this has potential to nudge people in different directions, especially people who are looking for external input desperately. An AI which has knowledge about lot of topics and nuances can create a weight vector over appropriate pros and cons to push unsuspecting people in different directions.
- yapyap 1y agoYes it does have that potential and whoever trains that LLM can nudge _it_ into different nudges by playing with what data it’s trained on. It’s going to be manipulation of the masses on a whole new level
- braebo 1y agoOpen source will keep good AI out there.. but I’m not looking forward to political arguments about which ai is actually lying propaganda and which is telling the truth…
- oc1 1y agoI'd take this Gemini personality every time over Sonnet. One more "You're absolutely right!" from this fucker and i'll throw out the computer. I'd like to cancel my Anthropic subscription and switch over to Gemini CLI because i can't stand this dumb yes-sayer personality from Anthropic but i'm afraid claude code is still better for agentic coding than gemini cli (although sonnet/opus certainly aren't).
- Aeolun 1y agoI think the initial response from Claude in the Claude Code thing uses a different model. One that’s really fast but can’t do anything but repeat what you told it.
- dexterlagan 1y agoI ended up adding a prompt to all my projects that forbids all these annoying repetitive apologies. Best thing I've ever done to Claude. Now he's blunt, efficient and SUCCINCT.
- AznHisoka 1y agoDo you have the exact prompt?
- Dilettante_ 1y agoNot GP, but I'm currently happily using this one(on Chatgpt, haven't tried it on Claude): [ https://web.archive.org/web/20250428215458/https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1k9bxdk/the_prompt_that_makes_chatgpt_go_cold/ https://web.archive.org/web/20250428215458/https://www.reddi... ]
- bgentry 1y agoTake my money! I have been looking for a good way to get Claude to stop telling me I'm right in every damn reply. There must be people who actually enjoy this "personality" but I'm sure not one of them.
- alienbaby 1y ago
- Roark66 1y agoAnd an interesting side effect I noticed with ChatGPT4o that the quality of output increases it you insult it after prior mistakes. It is as if it tries harder if it perceives the user to be seriously pissed off. The same doesn't work on Claude Opus for example. The best course of action is to calmly explain the mistakes and give it some actual working examples. I wonder what this tells us about the datasets used to train these models.
- yard2010 1y agoThis phenomenon always makes me talk like a total asshole, until it stops doing it. Just bully it out of this stupid nonsense.
- amelius 1y agoThey should really add a button "Punish the LLM".
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- chrismorgan 1y ago> and everything! seems to end! with an exclamation point! I looked at a Tom Swift book a few years back, and was amused to survey its exclamation mark density. My vague recollection is that about a quarter of all sentences ended with an exclamation mark, but don’t trust that figure. But I do confidently remember that all but two chapters ended with an exclamation mark, and the remaining two chapters had an exclamation mark within the last three sentences. (At least chapter’s was a cliff-hanger that gets dismantled in the first couple of paragraphs of the next chapter—christening a vessel, the bottle explodes and his mother gets hurt! but investigation concludes it wasn’t enemy sabotage for once.)
- krick 1y agoI haven't used Gemini Pro, but what you've pasted here is the most honest and sensible self-evaluation I've seen from an LLM. Looks great.
- chrismorgan 1y ago> self-esteem issues, as if Eeyore did the RLHF inputs You need to reread Winnie-the-Pooh <https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/67098/pg67098-images.html https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/67098/pg67098-images.ht...> and The House at Pooh Corner <https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/73011/pg73011-images.html https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/73011/pg73011-images.ht...>. Eeyore is gloomy, yes, but he has a biting wit and gloriously sarcastic personality. If you want just one section to look at, observe Eeyore as he floats upside-down in a river in Chapter VI of The House at Pooh Corner: https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/73011/pg73011-images.html#CHAPTER_VI:~:text=%2E-,Looking,%22,-But%20Pooh https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/73011/pg73011-images.ht... (I have no idea what film adaptations may have made of Eeyore, but I bet they ruined him.)
- wrs 1y agoAbsolutely, Eeyore is a much richer character than Gemini Pro! But I do tend to hear it in some combination of (my internal version of) Eeyore’s voice and Stephen Moore’s Marvin. (Don’t worry, I’ve read those books a hundred times. And yes, stick with the books.)
- chrismorgan 1y ago:-)
- 3RTB297 1y ago[dead]
- sunrunner 1y ago"Hate self. Hate self. Cheesoid kill self with petril. Why Cheesoid exist." (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_m17HK97M8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_m17HK97M8)
- DonHopkins 1y agoClaude Sonnet 4 is to Gemini Pro 2.5 as a Sirius Cybernetics Door is to Marvin the Paranoid Android. http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/content.asp?Bnum=135 http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/content.asp?Bnum=135 “Listen,” said Ford, who was still engrossed in the sales brochure, “they make a big thing of the ship's cybernetics. A new generation of Sirius Cybernetics Corporation robots and computers, with the new GPP feature.” “GPP feature?” said Arthur. “What's that?” “Oh, it says Genuine People Personalities.” “Oh,” said Arthur, “sounds ghastly.” A voice behind them said, “It is.” The voice was low and hopeless and accompanied by a slight clanking sound. They span round and saw an abject steel man standing hunched in the doorway. “What?” they said. “Ghastly,” continued Marvin, “it all is. Absolutely ghastly. Just don't even talk about it. Look at this door,” he said, stepping through it. The irony circuits cut into his voice modulator as he mimicked the style of the sales brochure. “All the doors in this spaceship have a cheerful and sunny disposition. It is their pleasure to open for you, and their satisfaction to close again with the knowledge of a job well done.” As the door closed behind them it became apparent that it did indeed have a satisfied sigh-like quality to it. “Hummmmmmmyummmmmmm ah!” it said.
- johnisgood 1y agoClaude does not blindly agree with me. Not sure which version though. What was their model on claude.ai 8 months ago?
- jmaker 1y agoSonnet 4 is weird. Sometimes it creates empty files and wants to delete what I asked it to refactor, only to confuse itself even more. So I retry, same path of destruction. Next time I interrupt it and explicitly state that it must first move the type definitions to the new files, it just ignores that (exclaiming several times how “absolutely right!” I was), and destroys the files anyway. I mean it’s not even good as a refactoring tool sometimes. Sometimes it’s acceptable to a degree. It loves stopping in the middle of a refactoring or generating a test suite, even though it convinced itself that the tests were still failing. That’s on something simple like TypeScript in a Node microservice repo. Same MCP servers, same context, instructions, prompt templates, same config, same repos. GitHub Copilot, Claude Code. So I just turn to a mixture of ChatGPT models where I need a quick win on a repo I took over and need to upgrade or when I want extra checks for potential mistakes or when I need a quick summary of some AWS docs without with links to verify. But of all things reliable it is not yet.
- cyanydeez 1y agoI assume those are just start and stop words, required to constrain context, and were probably subliminally selected for by researchers.
- andrei_says_ 1y ago> I have wasted your time. This is actually much better than the forced fake enthusiasm.
- darad 1y ago[flagged]
- ModernMech 1y agoEventually, AIs will come with a certified Myers-Briggs personality type indicator.