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This article is explicitly about how J.D. Vance (age 40) & others at the White House are forcefully advocating for preserving E2E encryption. Arguably not for
by setgree 1y ago
This article is explicitly about how J.D. Vance (age 40) & others at the White House are forcefully advocating for preserving E2E encryption. Arguably not for the right reasons, but still.
I'm not sure what you mean by "more" but what you are asking for is in fact happening.
- upofadown 1y agoIt's possible that their advocacy is well thought out but not based on the stated reasons. Say, Apple is actually under the control of the NSA and there are hidden back doors in the form of exploitable weaknesses as per Crypto AG. Then preventing the introduction of public backdoors would preserve the value of the current setup where Apple is widely considered trustworthy with respect to their customers.
- caycep 1y agoUK has a hx of pushing this - OP probably referring to efforts by the brits to put backdoors in comm standards like GSM and others back in the 80's and 90's
- duxup 1y agoThey're arguing with foreign countries. Meanwhile the federal government continuously working consolidate all data available under groups like DODGE or ICE or Palantir. Arguing to preserve a tech in a given situation but with other goals ... not sure the first part matters at that point. Perhaps he likes the idea of E2E, but just for himself and his friends. I duno, but whatever it is, it's not about the important things after the fact.
- scarface_74 1y agoWhile Palantir is a private company and shouldn’t have access to government data, why shouldn’t in theory all government data be accessible to the government? DOGE is clearly operating illegally for other reasons - not distributions funds that were appropriated by Congress for instance. But data sharing isn’t the root issue. It’s spineless Republicans in Congress and a sycophantic Supreme Court. And it’s possible to say both that if you are here illegally you should be deported and that it’s currently being driven by animus, cruelty and it should be easier to obtain legal residency especially in areas where we do need more workers and implement another program like Reagan did in the 80s
- duxup 1y agoI feel like you answered much of your own questions. Beyond that many of the departments that this data is being extracted from have rules about who can access (no not everyone in the IRS has free reign) and what they can do with it. For good reason, IRS's job is to focus on what the law says they should do, not say punish political enemies and so on. But transfer it to DODGE, ICE, Palantir, there are no laws at all regarding what they can do with that data.
- scarface_74 1y agoThe problem is the laws - not the data sharing. In some countries, tax data is available to everyone. Norway, Finland and Sweden in particular. There may be others
- duxup 1y agoThey're not just gathering IRS data. I'm not sure you read what I wrote at all.
- strbean 1y agoDifferent data requires different access controls, and government agencies that collect / deal with a given piece of data on a regular basis are equipped to enforce those access controls. You don't want your local dog catcher to be able to look at your medicare records just because "he's the government, and medicare records are government data".
- carlosjobim 1y ago> While Palantir is a private company and shouldn’t have access to government data, why shouldn’t in theory all government data be accessible to the government? Shouldn't everybody have access to government data, with a few exceptions?
- pyrale 1y agoThey are forcefully pushing for whatever the position of US companies is in conflicts between US companies and EU regulators. The position of the US executive on encryption is well summarized by the Lavabit case.
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- patrickmcnamara 1y agoThe UK is not in the EU.
- blitzar 1y agoThe UK left the EU so we could persue a far stuipider set of regulations.
- FirmwareBurner 1y agoUK: "Parkour!"
- pyrale 1y agoClose enough :)
- GeekyBear 1y agoThe U.S. also attempted to force Apple to add a back door just a decade ago. > Tim Cook, the C.E.O. of Apple, which has been ordered to help the F.B.I. get into the cell phone of the San Bernardino shooters, wrote in an angry open letter this week that "the U.S. government has asked us for something we simply do not have, and something we consider too dangerous to create." The second part of that formulation has rightly received a great deal of attention: Should a back door be built into devices that are used for encrypted communications? https://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/a-dangerous-all-writ-precedent-in-the-apple-case https://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/a-dangerous-all-...
- Spivak 1y agoHey, even the worst person in the world is owed their right to privacy. Determining if someone is doing evil with their right necessarily undermines privacy for everyone.
- petre 1y agoI'm sure the police can catch child abusers the old fashioned way: by infiltrating cp networks and posing as kids online. This snooper's charter is in fact overreach and an invitation to build something like the Stasi.
- standardUser 1y agoIf devoted half the resources to catching child abusers as we do to stop people from getting high after work, we'd have a whole hell of a lot fewer abused children. But, priorities!
- thaumasiotes 1y ago> If devoted half the resources to catching child abusers as we do to stop people from getting high after work, we'd have a whole hell of a lot fewer abused children. There are two problems here: (1) We devote more resources to catching child abusers. There are all kinds of legal "if you see something, say something" requirements that make every doctor, nurse, and schoolteacher in the country part of the effort to do this. (2) I see no particular reason to believe that additional resources would lead to a noticeable increase in detections. There are many, many circumstances where you're free to devote double the resources to something, but you'll see at best a trivial improvement in results.
- FirmwareBurner 1y ago>We devote more resources to catching child abusers. The Epstein list proves we do more to protect child abusers.
- standardUser 1y ago
- rPlayer6554 1y ago> In a combative speech at the Munich Security Conference in February, Vance argued that free speech and democracy were threatened by European elites. > Trump has also been critical of the UK stance on encryption. The US president has likened the UK’s order to Apple to “something... that you hear about with China,” saying in February that he had told Starmer: “You can’t do this.” > US Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard has also suggested the order would be an “egregious violation” of Americans’ privacy that risked breaching the two countries’ data agreement. I think that’s exactly why I want encryption.
- bsimpson 1y agoHe's proven himself to be more of an asshat than I'd hoped (see the Zelenskyy meeting), but he did come up in Silicon Valley venture capital. There's a lot about this administration that causes concern, but I'm glad to see him on the right side of encryption.
- monetus 1y agoIt feels like hearing Diddy advocate for various legalized recreational drugs, sadly.
- kingkawn 1y agobecause Vance and his colleagues are breaking federal law for the retention of government records and as long as they don’t invite anymore journalists into the group chat they will get away with it
- dev_l1x_be 1y agoAnd also about who is really running the show in the UK.
- andybak 1y agoAnd who is that?
- fluidcruft 1y agoWell duh how do backdoors benefit Thiel?