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How can they even enforce this? What happens if you run a plattform in let's say Germany and just tell them to fuck off, UK Law is of no interest to me.

daveoc64 1y ago
Payments to your service from users in the UK could be blocked. It's also possible for the owners or employees of the company to be held liable if they ever visit the UK.
aosaigh 1y ago
I don’t agree with the legislation, but I assume the same way they can go after you for any crime they perceive as being committed in the UK: extradition. It’s obviously incredibly unlikely.
- bpodgursky 1y ago
  Most sane countries will only extradite if users have broken a law which reciprocally exists in the country they actually live.
  - louthy 1y ago
    Or you travel to a 3rd country that has the same law and an extradition treaty with the UK. Or, you travel to the UK! It’s a pretty popular destination and Heathrow is a major European hub. It would be easy to get caught out. The law may well be onerous and misguided. But looking at that site, it seems they reeeeally should do their due diligence. Not just to avoid the long arm of UK justice, but other territories too. It looks extremely dubious. Their mitigation doesn’t make sense either. If they don’t shutdown UK accounts and those accounts use UK credit cards which continue to use the service via a VPN. It could be reasonably argued that they know they’re providing a service to a UK resident. So, they really need to do their homework. What they’re actually complaining about is the cost of doing business. It sounds pretty amateurish.
    - bpodgursky 1y ago
      The entire United Kingdom is amateur hour, and the UK will stay poor and irrelevant as long as they keep blaming businesses for being grumpy about nonsensical laws.
      - louthy 1y ago
        > they keep blaming businesses for being grumpy about nonsensical laws When did this happen?
- landl0rd 1y ago
  Something generally has to be a criminal offense in both nations for one to extradite to the other.
  - lucb1e 1y ago
    I used to think that, and that may be the case where you live (I'd be interested to read more if you have a link), but not in the Netherlands for example Source: I was recently listening to a podcast about court cases and an extradition case came up. They mentioned that reasons to not be sent are mainly about human rights, like if you need medical treatment that the target country can't (or isn't likely) to give, or if you would have to sit out your punishment under inhumane conditions (oftentimes you can sit out your punishment in the country that extradited you after having stood trial in the other country's legal system), or if the country you're being sent to was involved in your torture (them handing you over to another party that you know does torture would count, even if their own hands are 'clean'; that was the crux in this case, whether the victim aka accused person was handed over by the united states to pakistani intelligence and the usa therefore had forfeited their claim to further try the person for the alleged crime)
zb3 1y ago
Funny how it doesn't work this way if the country is US..
jgilias 1y ago
UK law may be of no interest to you. But they can still press criminal charges, and Germany _will_ extradite you.
- IlikeKitties 1y ago
  I'm a German National, so no, they won't extradite me.
  - nocoiner 1y ago
    I’m sure they won’t, but it might be annoying to never be able to take a flight that connects in London for the rest of your life. I have no idea if this is a likely or even possible consequence, but that’s one way lots of people have gotten ensnared by the long arm of the law, even when jurisdiction is otherwise normally lacking.
    - closewith 1y ago
      Not at all. Many people avoid Heathrow because it's a terrible airport and many more because they don't want to submit themselves to the UK justice system, which is as classist and corrupt as they come.
      - kypro 1y ago
        You also have no human rights in British Airports. The state can just randomly decide to question you. They'll force you to hand over passwords to all electronic devices and slap you with a terror offence if you don't comply. You won't even have the right to remain silent. You'd be well advised to avoid a country this like.
        octo888 1y ago
        Avoid France too for the same reasons. Similar laws exist for disclosure of passwords etc
        1y ago
amelius 1y ago
Then you might get blocked, I suppose. For an extreme case, ask Julian Assange what might happen if a country doesn't like what you put on the internet.
crazygringo 1y ago
Generally, if they identify you and you decide to visit London as a tourist for a week you could be arrested at the airport. If they wanted to enforce this. So obviously, it's of interest if you ever want to take a trip to the UK.
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alexpc201 1y ago
It’s a damn liability. You take a plane to New York, but for some reason, it gets emergency diverted to Heathrow, and you end up arrested.

daveoc64 1y ago

Payments to your service from users in the UK could be blocked. It's also possible for the owners or employees of the company to be held liable if they ever visit the UK.

aosaigh 1y ago

I don’t agree with the legislation, but I assume the same way they can go after you for any crime they perceive as being committed in the UK: extradition. It’s obviously incredibly unlikely.

bpodgursky 1y ago
Most sane countries will only extradite if users have broken a law which reciprocally exists in the country they actually live.
- louthy 1y ago
  Or you travel to a 3rd country that has the same law and an extradition treaty with the UK. Or, you travel to the UK! It’s a pretty popular destination and Heathrow is a major European hub. It would be easy to get caught out. The law may well be onerous and misguided. But looking at that site, it seems they reeeeally should do their due diligence. Not just to avoid the long arm of UK justice, but other territories too. It looks extremely dubious. Their mitigation doesn’t make sense either. If they don’t shutdown UK accounts and those accounts use UK credit cards which continue to use the service via a VPN. It could be reasonably argued that they know they’re providing a service to a UK resident. So, they really need to do their homework. What they’re actually complaining about is the cost of doing business. It sounds pretty amateurish.
  - bpodgursky 1y ago
    The entire United Kingdom is amateur hour, and the UK will stay poor and irrelevant as long as they keep blaming businesses for being grumpy about nonsensical laws.
    - louthy 1y ago
      > they keep blaming businesses for being grumpy about nonsensical laws When did this happen?
landl0rd 1y ago
Something generally has to be a criminal offense in both nations for one to extradite to the other.
- lucb1e 1y ago
  I used to think that, and that may be the case where you live (I'd be interested to read more if you have a link), but not in the Netherlands for example Source: I was recently listening to a podcast about court cases and an extradition case came up. They mentioned that reasons to not be sent are mainly about human rights, like if you need medical treatment that the target country can't (or isn't likely) to give, or if you would have to sit out your punishment under inhumane conditions (oftentimes you can sit out your punishment in the country that extradited you after having stood trial in the other country's legal system), or if the country you're being sent to was involved in your torture (them handing you over to another party that you know does torture would count, even if their own hands are 'clean'; that was the crux in this case, whether the victim aka accused person was handed over by the united states to pakistani intelligence and the usa therefore had forfeited their claim to further try the person for the alleged crime)

zb3 1y ago

Funny how it doesn't work this way if the country is US..

jgilias 1y ago

UK law may be of no interest to you. But they can still press criminal charges, and Germany _will_ extradite you.

IlikeKitties 1y ago
I'm a German National, so no, they won't extradite me.
- nocoiner 1y ago
  I’m sure they won’t, but it might be annoying to never be able to take a flight that connects in London for the rest of your life. I have no idea if this is a likely or even possible consequence, but that’s one way lots of people have gotten ensnared by the long arm of the law, even when jurisdiction is otherwise normally lacking.
  - closewith 1y ago
    Not at all. Many people avoid Heathrow because it's a terrible airport and many more because they don't want to submit themselves to the UK justice system, which is as classist and corrupt as they come.
    - kypro 1y ago
      You also have no human rights in British Airports. The state can just randomly decide to question you. They'll force you to hand over passwords to all electronic devices and slap you with a terror offence if you don't comply. You won't even have the right to remain silent. You'd be well advised to avoid a country this like.
      - octo888 1y ago
        Avoid France too for the same reasons. Similar laws exist for disclosure of passwords etc
      - 1y ago

amelius 1y ago

Then you might get blocked, I suppose. For an extreme case, ask Julian Assange what might happen if a country doesn't like what you put on the internet.

crazygringo 1y ago

Generally, if they identify you and you decide to visit London as a tourist for a week you could be arrested at the airport. If they wanted to enforce this. So obviously, it's of interest if you ever want to take a trip to the UK.

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alexpc201 1y ago

It’s a damn liability. You take a plane to New York, but for some reason, it gets emergency diverted to Heathrow, and you end up arrested.