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In the US it is officially 2 deaths involving Teslas with FSD engaged, with a couple more under investigation but not yet verified that FSD was engaged. Still
by tzs 1y ago
In the US it is officially 2 deaths involving Teslas with FSD engaged, with a couple more under investigation but not yet verified that FSD was engaged.
Still way more (no pun intended!) than Waymo, which has had 1 Waymo involved in a 6 car crash that killed someone in one of the other cars. Besides the human fatality a dog was also killed, and 5 other people were injured, some seriously. The Waymo was empty at the time.
Ironically this crash was due to a Tesla.
The Waymo and the other cars were all waiting at a red light when the Tesla rear ended them at 98 mph.
The driver of the Tesla was not impaired at the time of the crash. He says he tried to stop but the brakes were not responding.
The driver was from Hawaii, and it was later discovered that there is someone in Hawaii with the same full name, Jia Lin Zheng, with a record of around 20 traffic crimes over the last 20 years, including excessive speeding and running red lights.
I don't know if it had been determined if the Jia Lin Zheng visiting from Hawaii who caused the San Francisco crash is the same Jia Lin Zheng as the Hawaiian Jia Lin Zheng who has the long record of unsafe driving.
I'm not familiar with the naming conventions of whatever country/culture that name comes from. Is Jia Lin Zheng the kind of name that probably many people have in Hawaii or is it one that is likely rare?
- sMarsIntruder 1y agoHow many people saved by the tech?
- sorcerer-mar 1y agoTesla doesn't release the data required to assess this. And from that information alone, you can get the gist of what that data says! (inb4 you post the accidents per mile chart which is very obviously useless and designed to mislead midwits, as it is not controlled for age of automobile or driving conditions)
- jeffbee 1y agoProbably none. Fatalities in Teslas grossly exceed those in comparably-priced vehicles, which is the only benchmark that matters. Unless your counterfactual is that Tesla would be even more dangerous without FSD, but I don't think that is a useful counterfactual.
- tzs 1y agoOnly 15-20% of Teslas in the US have FSD.
- queenkjuul 1y agoHow many have autopilot
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- aqme28 1y ago> In the US it is officially 2 deaths involving Teslas with FSD engaged, with a couple more under investigation but not yet verified that FSD was engaged. That is not a useful metric for Tesla. They disengage FSD when they detect a potential accident.
- darknavi 1y agoWell that, and most of the incidents I've seen haven't been using FSD but instead traditional Autopilot which hasn't received updates in years.
- Kerbonut 1y agoIt’s still counted as FSD enabled. Would you prefer FSD to remain active and potentially cause further collateral damage after an accident causing who knows what kind of damage to the vehicle? Safer to shut it down when systems are working and brace for impact. Seriously use your brain.
- n8henrie 1y agoCan you elaborate on how things are counted? Is it "counted" if FSD was engaged within a certain time frame prior to a crash? If so, do you know what time frame? Or only if it was disabled automatically due to detecting a potential crash? The latter would still be problematic, as a human driver noticing a problem just prior to the FSD disabling itself would potentially be missed (right?). Do you know who does the counting and who makes the rules in this regard? Asking as you seem to have more knowledge here than me.
- OldfieldFund 1y ago30 seconds by law: https://www.nhtsa.gov/laws-regulations/standing-general-order-crash-reporting https://www.nhtsa.gov/laws-regulations/standing-general-orde...
- n8henrie 1y agoThank you!
- prng2021 1y agoTesla’s disengage their self driving just before a crash. That’s how the company can say FSD hardly ever causes crashes.
- Kerbonut 1y agoWrong. They disable it because it’s a safety thing. They still count it towards their metrics that FSD was enabled.
- computerex 1y agoSource ?
- prng2021 1y agoWrong. Tesla doesn't release safety metrics: https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/musks-tesla-seeks-guard-crash-data-public-disclosure-2025-06-04/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/musks-tesla-seeks-g... Waymo publishes tons of safety metrics on their website. Here's an analysis/summary: https://www.damfirm.com/waymo-accident-statistics.html https://www.damfirm.com/waymo-accident-statistics.html
- maxlin 1y agoYou're immediately proven untrue: https://x.com/Tesla/status/1793561959734051273?referrer=grok-com https://x.com/Tesla/status/1793561959734051273?referrer=grok... And the links don't even touch on things that are comparable lol. Waymo might keep all the data themselves as they own the cars, while with Teslas, the drivers can and will just grab the camera data themselves, many post it YouTube.
- FireBeyond 1y ago[flagged]
- maxlin 1y ago
- kindkang2024 1y agoAs for 'Jia Lin Zheng'—it's a typical Chinese name. I can confirm that, as I am Chinese myself.
- ta12653421 1y agoWho would doubt that this is a typical Chinese name? I'm layman regardin this but this would have been my vote in a quizz :)
- tzs 1y agoThe question wasn't whether or not it is typical. It is whether or not it is common. For example, in the US John Smith and Scott Baker are both typical US names, but John Smiths are way more common than Scott Bakers.
- renewiltord 1y agoZheng Jia Lin is a common name. And there are many Chinese/Taiwanese in Hawaii. Source: wife’s family is Taiwanese. I remember this incident. It happened a couple of blocks away. Unreasonable that they let him go.
- almosthere 1y agoUnreasonable? Society is breaking down all around us because of this shit. MCCA
- renewiltord 1y agoYes, I think that people should be prosecuted for killing people with their cars. WAWA
- almosthere 1y agoMost likely it was the same driver. I was in Arizona and someone crashed into me, and he claimed he "lost control of the vehicle" which was an old truck. I can buy you lose steering or breaking, but not steering AND braking. He was simply looking at his phone in reality.
- jacobjjacob 1y agoSaying the Waymo was even involved in the crash is misleading. It was a victim along with most of the other vehicles.
- breadwinner 1y agoThere are 50+ deaths if you include Autopilot. Source: https://www.tesladeaths.com/ https://www.tesladeaths.com/ Some of them were due to the use of cameras as opposed to LiDAR for example: The May 7, 2016 crash near Williston, Florida, in which a Tesla Model S operating with Autopilot struck the side of a tractor-trailer making a left turn across the car’s path. In this incident, both the car’s camera system and the driver did not detect the white side of the tractor-trailer against a brightly lit sky, which resulted in the Tesla passing under the trailer and causing a fatality.