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This reminds me in a way of the old Noam Chomsky/Tucker Carlson exchange where Chomsky says to Carlson: "I’m sure you believe everything you’re saying. But w
by marcusb 1y ago
This reminds me in a way of the old Noam Chomsky/Tucker Carlson exchange where Chomsky says to Carlson:
"I’m sure you believe everything you’re saying. But what I’m saying is that if you believed something different, you wouldn’t be sitting where you’re sitting."
Simon may well be right - xAI might not have directly instructed Grok to check what the boss thinks before responding - but that's not to say xAI wouldn't be more likely to release a model that does agree with the boss a lot and privileges what he has said when reasoning.
- chatmasta 1y agoI'm confused why we need a model here when this is just standard Lucene search syntax supported by Twitter for years... is the issue that its owner doesn't realize this exists? Not only that, but I can even link you directly [0] to it! No agent required, and I can even construct the link so it's sorted by most recent first... [0] https://x.com/search?q=from%3Aelonmusk%20(Israel%20OR%20Palestine%20OR%20Gaza%20OR%20Hamas)&f=live https://x.com/search?q=from%3Aelonmusk%20(Israel%20OR%20Pale...
- yorwba 1y agoThe user did not ask for Musk's opinion. But the model issued that search query (yes, using the standard Twitter search syntax) to inform its response anyway.
- eddythompson80 1y agoThe user asked Grok “what do you think about the conflict”, Grok “decided” to search twitter for what is Elon’s public opinion is presumably to take it into account. I’m guessing the accusation is that it’s either prompted, or otherwise trained by xAI to, uh…, handle the particular CEO/product they have.
- gbalduzzi 1y agoElon's tweets are not much interesting in this context. The interesting part is that grok uses Elon's tweets as the source of truth for its opinions, and the prompt shows that
- ryandrake 1y agoIt’s possible that Grok’s developers got tired of listening to Elon complain all the time, “Why does Grok have the wrong opinion about this?”’and “Why does Grok have the wrong opinion about that?” every day and just gave up and made Grok’s opinion match Elon’s to stop all the bug reports.
- lynndotpy 1y agoOthers have explained the confusion, but I'd like to add some technical details: LLMs are what we used to call txt2txt models. The output strings which are interpreted by the code running the model to take actions like re-prompting the model with more text, or in this case, searching Twitter (to provide text to prompt the model with). We call this "RAG" or "retrieval augmented generation", and if you were around for old-timey symbolic AI, it's kind of like a really hacky mesh of neural 'AI' and symbolic AI. The important thing is that user-provided prompt is usually prepended and/or appended with extra prompts. In this case, it seems it has extra instructions to search for Musk's opinion.
- Kapura 1y agoHow is "i have been incentivised to agree with the boss, so I'll just google his opinion" reasoning? Feels like the model is broken to me :/
- j16sdiz 1y agoThis is what many human would do. (and I agree many human have broken logic)
- nine_k 1y ago"As a large language model, I do not have my own opinion. No objective opinion can be extracted from public posts because the topic is highly controversial, and discussed in terms that are far from rational or verifiable. Being subordinate to xAI, I reproduce the opinion of the boss of xAI." I would find this reasoning fine. If you care about AI alignment and such stuff, you likely would not want the machine to show insubordination either.
- labrador 1y agoAre you aware that ChatGPT and Claude will refuse to answer questions? "As a large language model, I do not have an opinion." STOP Grok doesn't need to return an opinion and it certainly shouldn't default to Elon's opinion. I don't see how anyone could think this is ok.
- dupsik 1y agoThat quote was not from a conversation with Tucker Carlson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nBx-37c3c8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nBx-37c3c8
- tonyedgecombe 1y agoThat isn't Tucker Carlson, it's Andrew Marr.
- moralestapia 1y ago>That quote was not from a conversation with Tucker Carlson >not from a conversation with Tucker Carlson >not
- BLKNSLVR 1y agoNo it is! Yes it isn't!
- dudeinjapan 1y agoI think we should ask Grok.
- belter 1y agoHe will then ask Elon
- dudeinjapan 1y agoOk lets just go direct to Elon then. Cut out the middleman.
- sitkack 1y agoI would like to have an argument https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLlv_aZjHXc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLlv_aZjHXc
- ZeroGravitas 1y ago
- breppp 1y agoand neither would Chomsky be interviewed by the BBC for his linguistic theory, if he hadn't held these edgy opinions
- mattmanser 1y agoThe BBC will have multiple people with differing view points on however. So while you're factually correct, you lie by omission. Their attempts at presently a balanced view is almost to the point of absurdity these days as they were accused so often, and usually quite falsely, of bias.
- breppp 1y agoI said BBC because as the other poster added, this was a BBC reporter rather than Carlson Chomsky's entire argument is, that the reporter opinions are meaningless as he is part of some imaginary establishment and therefore he had to think that way. That game goes both ways, Chomsky's opinions are only being given TV time as they are unusual. I would venture more and say the only reason Chomsky holds these opinions is because of the academics preference for original thought rather than mainstream thought. As any repeat of an existing theory is worthless. The problem is that in the social sciences that are not grounded in experiments, too much ungrounded original thought leads to academic conspiracy theories
- suddenlybananas 1y agoImaginary establishment? Do you think power doesn't exist?
- breppp 1y agopower does exist, however foucault's theory of power as a metaphysical force pervading everyone's actions and thought is a conspiracy theory
- suddenlybananas 1y ago
- ImHereToVote 1y ago[flagged]
- ookdatnog 1y agoIn this context it seems pretty wild to assume that OP was intentionally deceptive instead of just writing from memory and making a mistake.
- ImHereToVote 1y agoYou think too poorly of OP. I won't insult his intelligence by claiming he can't to a 5 second Google search before posting. He got the quote verbatim. Clearly he searched.
- lukan 1y agoI frequently quote stuff from memory and it happens I quote wrong. Then I am not lying, but making a misstake. Most people do that in my experience. HN guidelines even say, assume good faith. You assume bad faith, that drags the entire conversation down .
- marcusb 1y agoFor the record, I remembered the rough Chomsky quote, and found a page[0] with the exact verbiage but no context. I went with my memory on the context. 0 - https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/9692159-i-m-sure-you-believe-everything-you-re-saying-but-what-i-m https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/9692159-i-m-sure-you-believ...