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One anecdote => All Ethereum’s cryptographers are a fraud => All crypto is a fraud You're deducing a lot from this one quote lol

• naikrovek 1y ago
  "all crypto is fraud" stands alone just fine. It's very clear that the blockchain is 100% BS to anyone who is not incentivized to see it as valid.
  • db48x 1y ago
    > It's very clear that the blockchain is 100% BS… Hmm. The blockchain is actually a very clever solution to a very old coordination problem. In that sense it is not BS at all. But I agree that it is an open question whether it can directly support a useful economy the way a currency can. It doesn’t seem to have the throughput for that, to start with. But maybe it could be useful for interbank settlements, if for some reason traditional methods weren’t working.
    • reactordev 1y ago
      This has been known for a long time that in order for crypto backed securities to work, Bitcoin’s blockchain would need to be the clearing house for assets tied to it. We’re in derivatives of derivatives of indexed derivatives land. Banks have already started exploring using it as the clearing house and recent US policy has cleared the path for more.
      • pwndByDeath 1y ago
        My hot take, crypto(currency) is for pure peer markets, since all individuals are accounted for by a government its not especially useful for people. However, governments are essentially peers without some disinterested third party with the power of enforcement. This is place where crypto lives.
        • db48x 1y ago
          Yea, something like that. Although even there you still have bond ratings and just straight up reputations to tell you which governments are trustworthy enough to do business with, even without a blockchain.
    • naikrovek 1y ago
      blockchains and bitcoin are good for two things only: money laundering, and collecting ransomware payments. blockchains as an immutable ledger should be the dumbest thing anyone has ever heard of. but somehow people saw dollar signs and put aside all their reservations and are using it to try to get rich quick. as if a set of banks are going to secretly conspire to remove your money from you specifically, without a paper trail, or something. it's a nonsense premise to begin with.
  • tehryanx 1y ago
    hard disagree here. I think crypto currencies are built on hype and bluster and scams, but blockchain as a technology is actually super interesting. There are plenty of cool use cases for an open immutable ledger that aren't scammy.
    • naikrovek 1y ago
      right, because there's no other way to prevent modification. no other way. also it's not possible for a single operator to have 51% of the compute in a blockchain. both of those are obviously false and both have already happened. blockchain is stupid. it is insanely inefficient, it burns power solely so you can say that you've burned power. it is stupid beyond belief.
      • jajko 1y ago
        Hard focus on one use case, albeit most famous and has some properties you mention. There are other use cases, like it or not. And its popularity - don't blame tools for basic human greed they only allow to be manifested, that's not a smart approach to get anywhere apart from endless complaints how this and that sucks.
      • gardenhedge 1y ago
        What's the other way?
        • naikrovek 1y ago
          the same way you prevent modification on anything else.
          • akimbostrawman 1y ago
            which is???
            • naikrovek 1y ago
  • Sebb767 1y ago
    > "all crypto is fraud" stands alone just fine. It might, but in this case it is preceded by "This is why", which makes the sentence as a whole simply wrong.
    • bsenftner 1y ago
      And "this is why" is preceded by "they don't know their own critical specializations history" Which is the complete statement.
  • pwndByDeath 1y ago
    All money is fraud, but we still use it.