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Electronic Arts Leadership Are Out of Their Goddamned Minds

64 points by dotmanish 1y ago

voidfunc 1y ago
Its EA... they're idiots. Too many MBAs thinking they can make the next multi-billion dollar moonshot game without thinking about what matters. Also they're addicted to subscription revenue models.
- Terr_ 1y ago
  "We really need to go back to fundamentals, if we want to restore our past glory. So we'll spend 6 months ironing out the monetization infrastructure, and then let's brainstorm about what kind of game we want to make."
- bluefirebrand 1y ago
  I think a huge part of the problem in the North American game industry is that the execs and MBAs you mention still seem to have a mentality that games are for gross dorky losers It's really weird how much the game industry seems to despise their audience
  - deleted 1y ago
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  - ekianjo 1y ago
    > It's really weird how much the game industry seems to despise their audience its an endemic behavior when you recruit MBAs that are not growing from within the company. not limited to gaming at all.
    - bluefirebrand 1y ago
      I agree that it's a bigger problem than just the game industry. I just didn't want to be accused of over-generalizing
  - darth_avocado 1y ago
    MBA should have been education for managers who already have industry experience so that they can better perform in their new responsibilities. Unfortunately everyone collectively decided that an MBA degree was a substitute for competency.
    - bluefirebrand 1y ago
      I suspect this has a lot to do with Nepotism still "You can't just hire your friend's son for that job, it needs credentials" "Oh it's fine, he has his MBA" Where MBA is a relatively easy degree to get that even a pretty average person can coast through
- cosmicgadget 1y ago
  Well in this case they aren't trying a moonshot but instead milking a tired franchise.
- darth_avocado 1y ago
  MBAs types generally show up in places that are doing fine, usually with ridiculous pay structures for themselves, then move the company in the direction that ensures their own pay is justified. This inevitably ruins the original business. Boeing is a prime example, so is almost the entire gaming industry.
rekenaut 1y ago
Is it feasible to get 100 million people to play this game even if it was free? I have to imagine that once you get to $400 million, every additional dollar has effectively no value add. When is it not better to just target a smaller user base and spend way less money? I’m unfamiliar with the ins an outs of this industry, so I am genuinely unsure.
- protocolture 1y ago
  >I have to imagine that once you get to $400 million, every additional dollar has effectively no value add. This will be Star Citizen. At best, if it ever properly launches, you will get maybe 20 mill of game from a lot more than that. I think we can be fairly confident that just giving a ravenous game designer an unlimited credit card doesnt translate into a better game.
- recursivecaveat 1y ago
  Apparently Fortnite peaked at 110 million monthly players. So I think a Battlefield title reaching that level is simply unachievable. The series definitely has a considerably smaller potential audience, and I think its unlikely they'll be able to release on 3 consoles, pc, and mobile devices in their launch window to match the platform reach. As you say, at some point you can't cram more $ into the product in a way that meaningfully affects the experience. Every area eventually experiences diminishing returns, especially within the framework of a realistic-ish multiplayer shooter. There is a kind of winner-takes-all effect to digital media, but this takes it too far. It is kindof crazy how lethargic the big publishers are. For EA: 7 years after Hollow Knight to release a metroidvania, 9 years since Stardew Valley to release a new 'cozy' title, at this rate it will be 5 more years before we see their proximity chat game in response to Lethal Company. The trends are literally rendered passé by multiple waves of indie and A/AA games before they react. You'd think having a ton of money, and a giant pool of experienced developers, they could be fast-followers at least. Seems they are content to just push money into slow, giant 'summer blockbuster' type titles though. Edit: Totally forgot, this is all about a battle-royale title, so assuming it releases next year: 9 years after Fortnite and 6 after the CoD equivalent.
Nathanba 1y ago
There is nothing wrong with setting high goals and trying to reach them. That they are failing is a different issue. This article is trying to farm outrage but there isn't any.
- nophunphil 1y ago
  It’s important to set attainable goals. My guess is that this will put incredible, undue stress on the staff. Business idiots, as Ed Zitron would say.
  - cosmicgadget 1y ago
    The Ars writer said he spoke to a number of contributors to the game and it's a sweatshop. But hey, good on the MBAs not doing the development for setting ambitious goals!
  - dr_kiszonka 1y ago
    This is how I read it too. EA has a reputation for breaking good teams and studios. Although, they are not the only ones with an unhealthy crunch culture.
- 0_gravitas 1y ago
  These goals, and their 'approach' to reaching them is a complete self-cannibalizing snake moment. Further, there can definitely be something _wrong_ with how someone might try to 'reach their high goals', like ethics violations, etc. And saying the article is trying to 'farm outrage' is extreme- it's barely an article if anything, more of a blog-post, with a matching tone, there's not exactly any call-to-action.
- boxed 1y ago
  It sounds like they tried to achieve their goals not by making a game that people wanted to play, but by resurrecting The Mythical Man Month and not only believing that this zombie anti-science idea works, but that it could produce a massively fun game.
- slg 1y ago
croes 1y ago
Is it fair to compare full price games with a maybe free-to-play title. How would this comparison look for the Epic games like Unreal vs. Fortnite?
superconduct123 1y ago
What is the point of this post, there is barely any content to it Its basically blogspam
- Kurtz79 1y ago
  The article that is linked in the post is a much more interesting read. https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2025/07/behind-the-next-battlefield-game-culture-clash-crunch-and-colossal-stakes/ https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2025/07/behind-the-next-battl...
- brazzy 1y ago
  How long before "blogspam" evokes a quaintly nostalgic feeling of a better, more innocent time?
zombot 1y ago
Looks very in-group. I don't think drive-by readers are supposed to understand it.
stodor89 1y ago
They've been out of their mind for 20 years, how's that newsworthy?
bdcravens 1y ago
I used to spend way too much time, and money, playing the mobile game Tap Sports Baseball. A fairly simple take on a baseball simulator, but with an insanely set of team/club competitiveness and upgrade mechanics. After EA bought the company that owned it, it literally lasted a year before they decided to end it, as its tens of millions of dollars in revenue each year apparently didn't meet their goals.
- AlexandrB 1y ago
  EA has a well-earned reputation as the grim reaper of the industry.
joegibbs 1y ago
I think the thing a lot of people don't realise when trying to make the next runaway hit game is that most of the games they're trying to emulate weren't produced with that intent, and didn't get their popularity with a running start as some massive AAA behemoth. Fortnite itself was originally a base-building PVE zombie game that Epic cranked out a battle royale mode for in a couple of months after seeing that PUBG (which at the time was a janky, unpolished and presumably cheap-to-develop standalone version of an ARMA mod) was a huge success. Then after it's out, Epic restructures behind it as a cash cow, makes it into a modding platform, uses it to improve Unreal Engine, etc. Minecraft was a little solo project in Java - now 350m copies sold. It didn't start off as a platform for other games, available on every console with cutting edge graphics and $100m in marketing spend behind it. Ark sold 80 million copies. It was an Early Access game on Steam by a team of 35, then it took off and they ported it to everything. Battle Royale's been done and been a huge hit for PUBG (2017), then Fortnite, then Warzone. I think it's about time that people would be getting sick of it, same as open world survival crafting games were the big thing (Minecraft, DayZ, Ark) and MMOs. Next Battlefield is $400m, all those other big hits were probably more in the $100k-$1m range. Maybe it would be better to make a bunch of $1m-$10m range games, see which one is a hit, then move resources behind it. I imagine changing the structure of a big business like EA to be able to make a move like that would be a very, very difficult undertaking though.
- delusional 1y ago
  > I think the thing a lot of people don't realise when trying to make the next runaway hit game Okay sure, let's say that. I don't think it's true. I think anyone who has ever made anything creative, which is most people, know that chasing success just make your creative work bad. That doesn't matter though. Surely the executives at EA should know better. Like it's literally their job to know better. They head an entire organization dedicated to creative production. Surely the board would fire them if they don't know better right? What is going on?
  - SpicyLemonZest 1y ago
    The key insight into EA behavior is that "runaway hit game" is a subcultural term, not a business analysis. An EA executive would tell you that they published a runaway hit game just last year. You know and I know that they won't be able to get a bunch of Battlefield sales with the lessons they learned from EA Sports College Football 25 - but it's not so easy to explain why to someone who doesn't already agree.
turbofreak 1y ago
EA did recently release another corpus of C&C source code so I’m quite chuffed with their leadership in that regard. Now we just need BfME and E:BfD source code and maybe toss in NoX and a few other classics and we are cruising. But Renegade? Fuck. What a masterstroke. Whoever thought to release that is an absolute ledge.
vivzkestrel 1y ago
not only EA but Ubisoft as well. Online only single player followed by a burning desire to convert everything into generic open world games followed by another strong burning desire to shutdown servers for everything without providing a LAN alternative or a way for people to play that game again with friends followed by another burning desire to add microtransactions into everything everywhere
Qahlel 1y ago
I've dedicated over 4,000 hours to the Battlefield series, with Battlefield 4 being my absolute favorite for its immersive, tactical gameplay and vibrant community. I eagerly played every title in the series until Battlefield 2042, which I found unplayable due to its departure from the core elements that made the franchise special. My frustration stems from a trend I see in companies like EA and even Samsung: chasing the "flavor of the year" instead of enhancing their unique strengths. If I wanted a Fortnite-style experience or an Apple-like ecosystem, I would have chosen those—I want Battlefield to be Battlefield. One of my biggest issues with modern gaming, including Battlefield 2042, is the shift from community servers to matchmaking lobbies. I’ve never enjoyed lobbies, as they prioritize quick, transient matches over meaningful player interactions. Community servers allowed players to build relationships, strategize together, and create lasting memories, fostering a sense of camaraderie. Playing in lobbies feels like facing bots—there’s no human connection, and you’re unlikely to see those players again, making the experience feel empty and disconnected. Gaming used to be my way of meeting like-minded people, and my Steam friends list is filled with players I met through Battlefield and other games. However, I haven’t added a new friend in years, as modern gaming’s focus on fast-paced, disposable matches makes it nearly impossible to form meaningful connections. I hope developers like EA return to the series’ roots, emphasizing tactical gameplay and community-driven servers to recapture the magic that made Battlefield a platform for both thrilling gameplay and lasting friendships.
- rincebrain 1y ago
  In some sense, that's working as intended for a lot of people, not just developers. A lot of people who consume games don't want to foster lasting relationships, they want to tick the box saying "played game for X hours today" and move on. I think that's pathological and, as you say, leads to lots of knock-on toxic effects in gameplay and community. But it is the reality this is engineered for - a lot of people who play multiplayer games do not want to feel like they're doing something with other people when doing it, which is part of why you get lots of toxic interactions or entitled complaints about something which might be a good strategy but ruins the game experience for some of the people in the match.
- brunker2 1y ago
jasonfrost 1y ago
Really a shame battlebit player count tanked, that was a perfect battlefield emulator. Now, without either, I am stuck in warzone
- GaryNumanVevo 1y ago
  The new Modern Warfare 2 remake had great "ground war" mode that was similar to Conquest, although it's not very populated anymore
- ghthor 1y ago
  Has anyone identified why battlebit player count tanked?
PlunderBunny 1y ago
I can imagine the ‘inflation’ to get to 100 million might be sort of like the way Chinese prefectures (?) would inflate their rice harvest estimates - a ‘great leap forward’ that leaves destruction behind it.

64 points by dotmanish 1y ago

Its EA... they're idiots. Too many MBAs thinking they can make the next multi-billion dollar moonshot game without thinking about what matters. Also they're addicted to subscription revenue models.

Terr_ 1y ago
"We really need to go back to fundamentals, if we want to restore our past glory. So we'll spend 6 months ironing out the monetization infrastructure, and then let's brainstorm about what kind of game we want to make."
bluefirebrand 1y ago
I think a huge part of the problem in the North American game industry is that the execs and MBAs you mention still seem to have a mentality that games are for gross dorky losers It's really weird how much the game industry seems to despise their audience
- deleted 1y ago
  [deleted]
- ekianjo 1y ago
  > It's really weird how much the game industry seems to despise their audience its an endemic behavior when you recruit MBAs that are not growing from within the company. not limited to gaming at all.
  - bluefirebrand 1y ago
    I agree that it's a bigger problem than just the game industry. I just didn't want to be accused of over-generalizing
- darth_avocado 1y ago
  MBA should have been education for managers who already have industry experience so that they can better perform in their new responsibilities. Unfortunately everyone collectively decided that an MBA degree was a substitute for competency.
  - bluefirebrand 1y ago
    I suspect this has a lot to do with Nepotism still "You can't just hire your friend's son for that job, it needs credentials" "Oh it's fine, he has his MBA" Where MBA is a relatively easy degree to get that even a pretty average person can coast through
cosmicgadget 1y ago
Well in this case they aren't trying a moonshot but instead milking a tired franchise.
darth_avocado 1y ago
MBAs types generally show up in places that are doing fine, usually with ridiculous pay structures for themselves, then move the company in the direction that ensures their own pay is justified. This inevitably ruins the original business. Boeing is a prime example, so is almost the entire gaming industry.

rekenaut 1y ago

Is it feasible to get 100 million people to play this game even if it was free? I have to imagine that once you get to $400 million, every additional dollar has effectively no value add. When is it not better to just target a smaller user base and spend way less money? I’m unfamiliar with the ins an outs of this industry, so I am genuinely unsure.

protocolture 1y ago
>I have to imagine that once you get to $400 million, every additional dollar has effectively no value add. This will be Star Citizen. At best, if it ever properly launches, you will get maybe 20 mill of game from a lot more than that. I think we can be fairly confident that just giving a ravenous game designer an unlimited credit card doesnt translate into a better game.
recursivecaveat 1y ago
Apparently Fortnite peaked at 110 million monthly players. So I think a Battlefield title reaching that level is simply unachievable. The series definitely has a considerably smaller potential audience, and I think its unlikely they'll be able to release on 3 consoles, pc, and mobile devices in their launch window to match the platform reach. As you say, at some point you can't cram more $ into the product in a way that meaningfully affects the experience. Every area eventually experiences diminishing returns, especially within the framework of a realistic-ish multiplayer shooter. There is a kind of winner-takes-all effect to digital media, but this takes it too far. It is kindof crazy how lethargic the big publishers are. For EA: 7 years after Hollow Knight to release a metroidvania, 9 years since Stardew Valley to release a new 'cozy' title, at this rate it will be 5 more years before we see their proximity chat game in response to Lethal Company. The trends are literally rendered passé by multiple waves of indie and A/AA games before they react. You'd think having a ton of money, and a giant pool of experienced developers, they could be fast-followers at least. Seems they are content to just push money into slow, giant 'summer blockbuster' type titles though. Edit: Totally forgot, this is all about a battle-royale title, so assuming it releases next year: 9 years after Fortnite and 6 after the CoD equivalent.

Nathanba 1y ago

There is nothing wrong with setting high goals and trying to reach them. That they are failing is a different issue. This article is trying to farm outrage but there isn't any.

nophunphil 1y ago
It’s important to set attainable goals. My guess is that this will put incredible, undue stress on the staff. Business idiots, as Ed Zitron would say.
- cosmicgadget 1y ago
  The Ars writer said he spoke to a number of contributors to the game and it's a sweatshop. But hey, good on the MBAs not doing the development for setting ambitious goals!
- dr_kiszonka 1y ago
  This is how I read it too. EA has a reputation for breaking good teams and studios. Although, they are not the only ones with an unhealthy crunch culture.
0_gravitas 1y ago
These goals, and their 'approach' to reaching them is a complete self-cannibalizing snake moment. Further, there can definitely be something _wrong_ with how someone might try to 'reach their high goals', like ethics violations, etc. And saying the article is trying to 'farm outrage' is extreme- it's barely an article if anything, more of a blog-post, with a matching tone, there's not exactly any call-to-action.
boxed 1y ago
It sounds like they tried to achieve their goals not by making a game that people wanted to play, but by resurrecting The Mythical Man Month and not only believing that this zombie anti-science idea works, but that it could produce a massively fun game.
slg 1y ago

croes 1y ago

Is it fair to compare full price games with a maybe free-to-play title. How would this comparison look for the Epic games like Unreal vs. Fortnite?

superconduct123 1y ago

What is the point of this post, there is barely any content to it Its basically blogspam

Kurtz79 1y ago
The article that is linked in the post is a much more interesting read. https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2025/07/behind-the-next-battlefield-game-culture-clash-crunch-and-colossal-stakes/ https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2025/07/behind-the-next-battl...
brazzy 1y ago
How long before "blogspam" evokes a quaintly nostalgic feeling of a better, more innocent time?

zombot 1y ago

Looks very in-group. I don't think drive-by readers are supposed to understand it.

stodor89 1y ago

They've been out of their mind for 20 years, how's that newsworthy?

bdcravens 1y ago

I used to spend way too much time, and money, playing the mobile game Tap Sports Baseball. A fairly simple take on a baseball simulator, but with an insanely set of team/club competitiveness and upgrade mechanics. After EA bought the company that owned it, it literally lasted a year before they decided to end it, as its tens of millions of dollars in revenue each year apparently didn't meet their goals.

AlexandrB 1y ago
EA has a well-earned reputation as the grim reaper of the industry.

joegibbs 1y ago

I think the thing a lot of people don't realise when trying to make the next runaway hit game is that most of the games they're trying to emulate weren't produced with that intent, and didn't get their popularity with a running start as some massive AAA behemoth. Fortnite itself was originally a base-building PVE zombie game that Epic cranked out a battle royale mode for in a couple of months after seeing that PUBG (which at the time was a janky, unpolished and presumably cheap-to-develop standalone version of an ARMA mod) was a huge success. Then after it's out, Epic restructures behind it as a cash cow, makes it into a modding platform, uses it to improve Unreal Engine, etc. Minecraft was a little solo project in Java - now 350m copies sold. It didn't start off as a platform for other games, available on every console with cutting edge graphics and $100m in marketing spend behind it. Ark sold 80 million copies. It was an Early Access game on Steam by a team of 35, then it took off and they ported it to everything. Battle Royale's been done and been a huge hit for PUBG (2017), then Fortnite, then Warzone. I think it's about time that people would be getting sick of it, same as open world survival crafting games were the big thing (Minecraft, DayZ, Ark) and MMOs. Next Battlefield is $400m, all those other big hits were probably more in the $100k-$1m range. Maybe it would be better to make a bunch of $1m-$10m range games, see which one is a hit, then move resources behind it. I imagine changing the structure of a big business like EA to be able to make a move like that would be a very, very difficult undertaking though.

delusional 1y ago
> I think the thing a lot of people don't realise when trying to make the next runaway hit game Okay sure, let's say that. I don't think it's true. I think anyone who has ever made anything creative, which is most people, know that chasing success just make your creative work bad. That doesn't matter though. Surely the executives at EA should know better. Like it's literally their job to know better. They head an entire organization dedicated to creative production. Surely the board would fire them if they don't know better right? What is going on?
- SpicyLemonZest 1y ago
  The key insight into EA behavior is that "runaway hit game" is a subcultural term, not a business analysis. An EA executive would tell you that they published a runaway hit game just last year. You know and I know that they won't be able to get a bunch of Battlefield sales with the lessons they learned from EA Sports College Football 25 - but it's not so easy to explain why to someone who doesn't already agree.

turbofreak 1y ago

EA did recently release another corpus of C&C source code so I’m quite chuffed with their leadership in that regard. Now we just need BfME and E:BfD source code and maybe toss in NoX and a few other classics and we are cruising. But Renegade? Fuck. What a masterstroke. Whoever thought to release that is an absolute ledge.

vivzkestrel 1y ago

not only EA but Ubisoft as well. Online only single player followed by a burning desire to convert everything into generic open world games followed by another strong burning desire to shutdown servers for everything without providing a LAN alternative or a way for people to play that game again with friends followed by another burning desire to add microtransactions into everything everywhere

Qahlel 1y ago

I've dedicated over 4,000 hours to the Battlefield series, with Battlefield 4 being my absolute favorite for its immersive, tactical gameplay and vibrant community. I eagerly played every title in the series until Battlefield 2042, which I found unplayable due to its departure from the core elements that made the franchise special. My frustration stems from a trend I see in companies like EA and even Samsung: chasing the "flavor of the year" instead of enhancing their unique strengths. If I wanted a Fortnite-style experience or an Apple-like ecosystem, I would have chosen those—I want Battlefield to be Battlefield. One of my biggest issues with modern gaming, including Battlefield 2042, is the shift from community servers to matchmaking lobbies. I’ve never enjoyed lobbies, as they prioritize quick, transient matches over meaningful player interactions. Community servers allowed players to build relationships, strategize together, and create lasting memories, fostering a sense of camaraderie. Playing in lobbies feels like facing bots—there’s no human connection, and you’re unlikely to see those players again, making the experience feel empty and disconnected. Gaming used to be my way of meeting like-minded people, and my Steam friends list is filled with players I met through Battlefield and other games. However, I haven’t added a new friend in years, as modern gaming’s focus on fast-paced, disposable matches makes it nearly impossible to form meaningful connections. I hope developers like EA return to the series’ roots, emphasizing tactical gameplay and community-driven servers to recapture the magic that made Battlefield a platform for both thrilling gameplay and lasting friendships.

rincebrain 1y ago
In some sense, that's working as intended for a lot of people, not just developers. A lot of people who consume games don't want to foster lasting relationships, they want to tick the box saying "played game for X hours today" and move on. I think that's pathological and, as you say, leads to lots of knock-on toxic effects in gameplay and community. But it is the reality this is engineered for - a lot of people who play multiplayer games do not want to feel like they're doing something with other people when doing it, which is part of why you get lots of toxic interactions or entitled complaints about something which might be a good strategy but ruins the game experience for some of the people in the match.
brunker2 1y ago

jasonfrost 1y ago

Really a shame battlebit player count tanked, that was a perfect battlefield emulator. Now, without either, I am stuck in warzone

GaryNumanVevo 1y ago
The new Modern Warfare 2 remake had great "ground war" mode that was similar to Conquest, although it's not very populated anymore
ghthor 1y ago
Has anyone identified why battlebit player count tanked?

PlunderBunny 1y ago

I can imagine the ‘inflation’ to get to 100 million might be sort of like the way Chinese prefectures (?) would inflate their rice harvest estimates - a ‘great leap forward’ that leaves destruction behind it.