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I don't like this as I usually just take hold luggage only, and a small bag. Why is this somewhere the government had to intervene? The only role of government

I don't like this as I usually just take hold luggage only, and a small bag. Why is this somewhere the government had to intervene? The only role of government here should be in ensuring sufficient competition and information for the purchaser.

dheera 1y ago
I don't mind it honestly. I'm the one carrying the bag, not them. If they aren't doing work they should not be allowed to charge extra.
- ajmurmann 1y ago
  They provide space for it which is limited and paying fuel to transport it. There usually is more demand them overhead space as well, so charging for it actually solves an allocation problem just like charging for parking does.
  - paxys 1y ago
    Then charge passengers by weight. If a 6kg bag commands €80 extra then why should a 50kg passenger pay the same as a 150kg one?
    - userbinator 1y ago
      I think they should do that, or something similar to what courier services use: a combination of weight and volume. It's common for kids under a certain age to already be charged less.
    - ajmurmann 1y ago
      I believe that's illegal but might be mistaken. From an ethical perspective is also nothing the passenger can easily control
      - dheera 1y ago
        The delta between the typical obese person and my weight is much more than the typical weight of my carry-on bag. There is zero reason to charge for the carry-on bag if you don't also charge the obese person.
    - johnisgood 1y ago
      Precisely. What is up with the obese requiring 2 seats? Do they pay 2x the ticket or not? I need up to date information.
fuckyah 1y ago
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v5v3 1y ago
I prefer to take carry on and not have any hold luggage for short trips. If it is carry on, it's with you at all times and unlikely to get lost or damaged.
jopsen 1y ago
> Why is this somewhere the government had to intervene? Because some airlines have crazy fee structures that makes comparing prices impossible. Streamlining services fosters fair competition.
refulgentis 1y ago
> I don't like this...I just take...and a small bag. That's the thing they're charging for :) > Why is this somewhere the government had to intervene? I am skeptical of intervention generally, but #1) it got out of hand entirely, particularly RyanAir, #2) they're intervening because that's the law. They're finally getting around to enforcing it. This is where the They the People drew a line w/r/t opportunity to charge fees. Most importantly, you didn't expect to get charged the fee for your small bag. That gives us a revealed preference, the most honest of all.
- GardenLetter27 1y ago
  No, I have travelled with RyanAir extensively - a small underseat bag is included right now. Just not cabin luggage.
  - refulgentis 1y ago
    Letter of the RyanAir rule is if it fits 40cm x 20cm x 25cm - I got what felt like a rushed extortion attempt myself about 8 months based on that. Had a couple flights where it sort felt like the Best Buy Protection Plan sales scenario, where that was what the gate's crew perceived as a core duty. (I hear ya, I was going to go with the more concise argument that this is about price transparency, rather than go off experience or handwaving about anecdotes or "everyone knows...", but realized it'd just turn into anecdata vs. anecdata)
carstenhag 1y ago
Because Ryanair's default is one tiny bag, in which you can only take clothes for 2 days. Even another tiny bag or shopping bag is not included.
IshKebab 1y ago
Don't fall for the "this will make people without cabin bags pay more" line. That's not really how pricing works.
gbin 1y ago
Because of the general enshitification : of course companies will have that on font 3 then at the last minute when you have invested 30 minutes of your clicking through "no I don't want an insurance", "no I am sure I don't want an insurance", "no I don't want to upgrade", "no I don't want a new credit card" then btw it is $20 for your onboard luggage and $10 administrative free to add it...
- octo888 1y ago
  Now it'll be "do you want an 8kg / 10kg / 12kg cabin bag. Anything over 7kg will be charged €150 at the airport where it'll be weighed"
me_bx 1y ago
Some airlines (looking at you, Ryanair) really exploit the system. Cabin luggage can cost triple the price of the actual ticket, and that extra fee only pops up later on during the booking process. What’s worse, you’re forced to buy a bundle with ‘Priority Boarding’ just to get cabin luggage - no option to buy it alone. The ‘priority boarding’ option is a scam in itself: you pay extra just to stand around in a crowded corridor for about 30-40 minutes while the last passengers get off and the plane, then the cleaning crew takes the trash out of the plane. Ryanair planes don't seem to get cleaned anymore between two flights, no time for that.
- octo888 1y ago
  If you think this will bamboozle Ryanair and that they don't already have a plan to make money off this change I think you're mistaken

dheera 1y ago

I don't mind it honestly. I'm the one carrying the bag, not them. If they aren't doing work they should not be allowed to charge extra.

ajmurmann 1y ago
They provide space for it which is limited and paying fuel to transport it. There usually is more demand them overhead space as well, so charging for it actually solves an allocation problem just like charging for parking does.
- paxys 1y ago
  Then charge passengers by weight. If a 6kg bag commands €80 extra then why should a 50kg passenger pay the same as a 150kg one?
  - userbinator 1y ago
    I think they should do that, or something similar to what courier services use: a combination of weight and volume. It's common for kids under a certain age to already be charged less.
  - ajmurmann 1y ago
    I believe that's illegal but might be mistaken. From an ethical perspective is also nothing the passenger can easily control
    - dheera 1y ago
      The delta between the typical obese person and my weight is much more than the typical weight of my carry-on bag. There is zero reason to charge for the carry-on bag if you don't also charge the obese person.
  - johnisgood 1y ago
    Precisely. What is up with the obese requiring 2 seats? Do they pay 2x the ticket or not? I need up to date information.

fuckyah 1y ago

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v5v3 1y ago

I prefer to take carry on and not have any hold luggage for short trips. If it is carry on, it's with you at all times and unlikely to get lost or damaged.

jopsen 1y ago

> Why is this somewhere the government had to intervene? Because some airlines have crazy fee structures that makes comparing prices impossible. Streamlining services fosters fair competition.

refulgentis 1y ago

> I don't like this...I just take...and a small bag. That's the thing they're charging for :) > Why is this somewhere the government had to intervene? I am skeptical of intervention generally, but #1) it got out of hand entirely, particularly RyanAir, #2) they're intervening because that's the law. They're finally getting around to enforcing it. This is where the They the People drew a line w/r/t opportunity to charge fees. Most importantly, you didn't expect to get charged the fee for your small bag. That gives us a revealed preference, the most honest of all.

GardenLetter27 1y ago
No, I have travelled with RyanAir extensively - a small underseat bag is included right now. Just not cabin luggage.
- refulgentis 1y ago
  Letter of the RyanAir rule is if it fits 40cm x 20cm x 25cm - I got what felt like a rushed extortion attempt myself about 8 months based on that. Had a couple flights where it sort felt like the Best Buy Protection Plan sales scenario, where that was what the gate's crew perceived as a core duty. (I hear ya, I was going to go with the more concise argument that this is about price transparency, rather than go off experience or handwaving about anecdotes or "everyone knows...", but realized it'd just turn into anecdata vs. anecdata)

carstenhag 1y ago

Because Ryanair's default is one tiny bag, in which you can only take clothes for 2 days. Even another tiny bag or shopping bag is not included.

IshKebab 1y ago

Don't fall for the "this will make people without cabin bags pay more" line. That's not really how pricing works.

gbin 1y ago

Because of the general enshitification : of course companies will have that on font 3 then at the last minute when you have invested 30 minutes of your clicking through "no I don't want an insurance", "no I am sure I don't want an insurance", "no I don't want to upgrade", "no I don't want a new credit card" then btw it is $20 for your onboard luggage and $10 administrative free to add it...

octo888 1y ago
Now it'll be "do you want an 8kg / 10kg / 12kg cabin bag. Anything over 7kg will be charged €150 at the airport where it'll be weighed"

me_bx 1y ago

Some airlines (looking at you, Ryanair) really exploit the system. Cabin luggage can cost triple the price of the actual ticket, and that extra fee only pops up later on during the booking process. What’s worse, you’re forced to buy a bundle with ‘Priority Boarding’ just to get cabin luggage - no option to buy it alone. The ‘priority boarding’ option is a scam in itself: you pay extra just to stand around in a crowded corridor for about 30-40 minutes while the last passengers get off and the plane, then the cleaning crew takes the trash out of the plane. Ryanair planes don't seem to get cleaned anymore between two flights, no time for that.

octo888 1y ago
If you think this will bamboozle Ryanair and that they don't already have a plan to make money off this change I think you're mistaken