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EU to ban carry-on baggage fees
- GardenLetter27 1y agoI don't like this as I usually just take hold luggage only, and a small bag. Why is this somewhere the government had to intervene? The only role of government here should be in ensuring sufficient competition and information for the purchaser.
- dheera 1y agoI don't mind it honestly. I'm the one carrying the bag, not them. If they aren't doing work they should not be allowed to charge extra.
- ajmurmann 1y agoThey provide space for it which is limited and paying fuel to transport it. There usually is more demand them overhead space as well, so charging for it actually solves an allocation problem just like charging for parking does.
- paxys 1y agoThen charge passengers by weight. If a 6kg bag commands €80 extra then why should a 50kg passenger pay the same as a 150kg one?
- userbinator 1y agoI think they should do that, or something similar to what courier services use: a combination of weight and volume. It's common for kids under a certain age to already be charged less.
- ajmurmann 1y agoI believe that's illegal but might be mistaken. From an ethical perspective is also nothing the passenger can easily control
- dheera 1y agoThe delta between the typical obese person and my weight is much more than the typical weight of my carry-on bag. There is zero reason to charge for the carry-on bag if you don't also charge the obese person.
- johnisgood 1y agoPrecisely. What is up with the obese requiring 2 seats? Do they pay 2x the ticket or not? I need up to date information.
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- v5v3 1y agoI prefer to take carry on and not have any hold luggage for short trips. If it is carry on, it's with you at all times and unlikely to get lost or damaged.
- jopsen 1y ago> Why is this somewhere the government had to intervene? Because some airlines have crazy fee structures that makes comparing prices impossible. Streamlining services fosters fair competition.
- refulgentis 1y ago> I don't like this...I just take...and a small bag. That's the thing they're charging for :) > Why is this somewhere the government had to intervene? I am skeptical of intervention generally, but #1) it got out of hand entirely, particularly RyanAir, #2) they're intervening because that's the law. They're finally getting around to enforcing it. This is where the They the People drew a line w/r/t opportunity to charge fees. Most importantly, you didn't expect to get charged the fee for your small bag. That gives us a revealed preference, the most honest of all.
- GardenLetter27 1y agoNo, I have travelled with RyanAir extensively - a small underseat bag is included right now. Just not cabin luggage.
- refulgentis 1y agoLetter of the RyanAir rule is if it fits 40cm x 20cm x 25cm - I got what felt like a rushed extortion attempt myself about 8 months based on that. Had a couple flights where it sort felt like the Best Buy Protection Plan sales scenario, where that was what the gate's crew perceived as a core duty. (I hear ya, I was going to go with the more concise argument that this is about price transparency, rather than go off experience or handwaving about anecdotes or "everyone knows...", but realized it'd just turn into anecdata vs. anecdata)
- carstenhag 1y agoBecause Ryanair's default is one tiny bag, in which you can only take clothes for 2 days. Even another tiny bag or shopping bag is not included.
- IshKebab 1y agoDon't fall for the "this will make people without cabin bags pay more" line. That's not really how pricing works.
- gbin 1y agoBecause of the general enshitification : of course companies will have that on font 3 then at the last minute when you have invested 30 minutes of your clicking through "no I don't want an insurance", "no I am sure I don't want an insurance", "no I don't want to upgrade", "no I don't want a new credit card" then btw it is $20 for your onboard luggage and $10 administrative free to add it...
- octo888 1y agoNow it'll be "do you want an 8kg / 10kg / 12kg cabin bag. Anything over 7kg will be charged €150 at the airport where it'll be weighed"
- me_bx 1y agoSome airlines (looking at you, Ryanair) really exploit the system. Cabin luggage can cost triple the price of the actual ticket, and that extra fee only pops up later on during the booking process. What’s worse, you’re forced to buy a bundle with ‘Priority Boarding’ just to get cabin luggage - no option to buy it alone. The ‘priority boarding’ option is a scam in itself: you pay extra just to stand around in a crowded corridor for about 30-40 minutes while the last passengers get off and the plane, then the cleaning crew takes the trash out of the plane. Ryanair planes don't seem to get cleaned anymore between two flights, no time for that.
- octo888 1y agoIf you think this will bamboozle Ryanair and that they don't already have a plan to make money off this change I think you're mistaken
- stavros 1y agoDoesn't this mean that they'll just include the fees in the price for everyone?
- jmercouris 1y agoYes, in practice this increases price transparency. Imagine everything could be monetized. They could charge for access to the bathroom, or water. What is the minimum expectation of what is included in the price of a ticket?
- userbinator 1y agoWhat is the minimum expectation of what is included in the price of a ticket? A seat.
- ajmurmann 1y agoI'd include air and a seatbelt
- dale_glass 1y agoCertainly a bathroom has to be included, you can't lock people in a tube in the sky and then not let them pee. But I believe Ryanair considered trying not to use seats at one point.
- sidewndr46 1y agoActually you can do exactly that, at least in the US. I've been stuck on a plane more than once and told I couldn't use the restroom
- johnisgood 1y agoThen they will have to hire cleaners, because I will shit and pee all over the seat.
- cadamsdotcom 1y agoSeems like an all round good thing. Capitalism has an ugly downside: when growth stops, shareholders continue to demand the same or more growth even though there isn’t any to be had. Customers get screwed until there’s an intervention. Score one for functional government!
- arianvanp 1y agoId say 90% of my flights I don't take carry on luggage. This is about things that have to go in overhead bin. Backpacks that fit under your seat have always been free. You can easily carry 2 weeks of clothes in a backpack. I guess goodbye to 20 euro flight deals it is because they're just gonna raise all the prices by 50 bucks to compensate I guess
- sebtron 1y agoTwo weeks of clothes in a 40x30x15 backpack? Do you change once a week or what?
- CafeRacer 1y agoYou know other countries have laundries too, right?
- johnisgood 1y agoThere is no way more than 1 day worth of clothes fit in a backpack, and this does not include accessories. Am I just supposed to buy clothes at the destination country?
- mikkom 1y agoNot sure what your definition of a backpack is but I was just traveling for over a week with this one and it was no problem to fit over a weeks worth of clothes, toiletries etc there https://www.tomtoc.com/products/40l-travel-backpack-carry-on https://www.tomtoc.com/products/40l-travel-backpack-carry-on
- johnisgood 1y agoCan it fit 5-7 underwear, 5 shirts, and 3 sweatpants, a couple of sweatshirts or hoodies and 1 jacket (might be cold where I am going), maybe 1 jeans, 2 different shoes (in a box)? I highly doubt it. On the photos of your backpack, seems like only 3 jeans fit, that is maybe 2-3 hoodies. This does not include toiletries. How many and what kind of clothes did you carry and what was your folding method (if you can explain)? I can't believe "weeks worth".
- sebtron 1y agoI would rather see them ban the dark patterns that nudge you to buy a "premium" ticket when you just want to add a luggage item and couldn't care less about priority boarding and whatnot. I am a fairly experienced traveller but I still get scammed by this from time to time. Now I'll instead have to pay for cabin luggage even when I want to travel with backpack only.
- m000 1y agoI'm all against dark patterns, but how can you ban them? Even after EU explicitly trying to curb dark patterns for website cookies, I can't recall having ever seen the "only functional cookies" option displayed in the same UI language as the "all cookies" option. The latter will always the one that is prominently highlighted.
- Nextgrid 1y agoThey can easily solve non-compliant cookie consent flows if they chose to actually enforce the astronomical fines everyone has been fear-mongering about. But they don't - the process of actually going from complaint to fine is convoluted, lengthy and the data protection agencies clearly don't appear to want to be investigating or fining anyone.
- virtualritz 1y agoWhat is "cabin bag measuring up to 100cm" in the article supposed to mean? Are these the combined dimensions? I.e. W + D + H? Edit: to answer my own question, that seems to indeed to be the meaning according to [1]. And it can weigh a max. of 7kg. Most airlines in the EU currently allow 10kg for cabin baggage and people got used to that. So that's where they will probably have a (new) way to keep charging fees. [1] https://ftnnews.com/travel-news/aviation/eu-plans-to-ban-carry-on-luggage-fees-what-it-means-for-travelers-and-airlines/ https://ftnnews.com/travel-news/aviation/eu-plans-to-ban-car...
- octo888 1y agoThis is it. People take more than 7kg because it's replaced their checked in bag EU will claim a massive victory (with very little mention for the 7kg limit in their PR headlines), which is largely all the want. But airlines will carry on selling 8kg plus bags probably for even more than before If this wasn't done in negotiation with airlines I would be very surprised
- vorgol 1y agoExcellent news. I think Ryanair was a trend setter back in the day for charging for absolutely everything. So much that that a song was written about it (published 14 years ago): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAg0lUYHHFc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAg0lUYHHFc
- bergie 1y ago> Excellent news. Terrible news. Flying is way too cheap as it is.
- dzhiurgis 1y agoRyanair also jacked up their prices once they removed competitors from same routes.
- LeafItAlone 1y agoI know that every single opinion will have someone that holds the opposite, but I didn’t expect to see one for “flying is cheap” so quickly. Can you explain your meaning or rationale? I’m guessing eco-/environment related?
- bergie 1y agoEnvironment related, yes. But also the way government subsidies in EU give flights an unfair advantage over better methods of transport https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EU_aviation_fuel_taxation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EU_aviation_fuel_taxation
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- FredPret 1y agoYou can't just ban all unpopular or unpleasant things without incurring some side-effects. This particular regulation will simply raise the price floor for the cheapest flights. What about students flying somewhere for the weekend on Ryanair armed with only a credit card and (maybe) an extra pair of underpants? Do they now have to subsidize my carry-on bag?
- baq 1y agothere's unpleasant and there's legal scams. also, look a bit further. they want to make rail competitive. here they're doing it in classic EU manner of raising the cost of competition instead of making rail more efficient (it is a nightmare to buy tickets for cross-border travel.)
- FredPret 1y agoHow's it a scam to charge people getting onto a plane for the extra weight and volume and time taken up by the carry-on? Unless you're saying the EU is trying to boost rail by making air travel more expensive with the carry-on rule.
- baq 1y agoI dunno maybe my 10kg carryon luggage shouldn't subsidize your 5kg backpack.
- mattmcknight 1y agoI would pay for a reserved spot to store my bag. Now that most US airlines are charging ordinary customers for checked luggage, there is insufficient overhead bin space on almost every flight. This has resulted in a secondary effect of a great rush to be the first one onboard, to be able to claim the limited overhead space without having to check your bag. This means I end up spending more time crammed into a tiny seat. If they let me reserve the spot above my seat, I'd be willing to spend the $25. However, if they force you to pay for it, how do they guarantee the space will be open?
- paxys 1y agoCharging extra for bags and other incidentals wouldn't have been a problem if airlines didn't push it to the extreme and start running borderline scams. A family I know was recently forced to pay €55 per ticket at the check in counter for the privilege of having an agent print their boarding pass. Of course there will be backlash.
- rjh29 1y agoIt's been great for frequent travellers. Our cheap flights were subsidised by people who don't bother to follow basic instructions, or try to take the piss and take way too much on board hoping they wouldn't be caught. If the charges didn't exist the cost would just be spread out across all travellers.
- paxys 1y agoYes, and that's a good thing.
- rjh29 1y agoMy comment was more about the fees. The law is actually relating to the carry on bags which are separate, sorry for being confusing. The EU law is good if the ticket price doesn't rise up, but I fear it will go up the same amount as the bag used to cost. It also removes the ability to optimise. Even if you pack light, buy clothes at the destination, or send your stuff by mail - you still pay for a bag. And as another poster said, it'll encourage people to take more luggage, which won't all fit in the overhead compartments.
- attendant3446 1y agoDoes it actually cost the airline more money to allow this? They already allow underseat luggage, where you can store even heavier bags. They were limiting the size of the bag unnecessarily (even though there is plenty of room under the seat for a bigger bag). I think they will raise the prices at first, but eventually they will find another way to extort money from passengers and having a reasonably sized carry-on bag will become norm.
- jpalawaga 1y agoIt’s a small bag. 7kg is hardly anything. Like a purse or a laptop. Definitely would fit under the seat in front of you. Since that space is reserved for the ticketed passenger, billing for that really feels like double dipping anyhow. Good for the EU.
- rjh29 1y agoA lot of people use only that 7kg carry-on allowance to travel. 7kg can easily hold clothes, toiletries, laptop. Most of the time you can carry a personal item (purse/laptop) in addition to your main bag. Thing is, the majority of people pay for a carry on allowance or checked-in luggage, so this rule isn't going to make airlines cheaper. The ticket prices will just go up to match.
- flowerthoughts 1y ago7(-9) kg is the standard allowance for overhead luggage. It's not just for purses.
- ndsipa_pomu 1y agoRyanair include a "small" carry-on bag (40x25x20cm) that goes under the seat in front of you - they charge for the extra larger carry-on bag that goes in the overhead locker. (We just travelled with Ryanair and their website does try to trick you into paying for the extra bag - as we had bought the 20kg checked-in bags we didn't want the overhead space as well)
- attendant3446 1y agoFor me, the main change is not about the weight, but the size > cabin bag measuring up to 100cm > as well as an under-the-seat personal item with a maximum size of 40x30x15cm Right now almost all (if not all) EU lowcosters only allow bags with a volume of around 20 litres. Anything larger costs extra.
- sjrd 1y agoGood. Now do the same for the volatility of train ticket prices, please? If you want people not to destroy the planet, make sure they can afford the more ecological routes.
- grujicd 1y agoI was forced to purchase 73EUR priority ticket for few LP records few weeks ago. They don't fit into Wizair specified backpack, so I know it is against the rules if I carry them separately, but come on, it's few hundred grams and they're very slim, don't take any place in overhead storage. So I'm looking forward for this regulation, even if tickets get few euros more expensive, it would be a win for me as LPs are a great souvenir since you remember the journey each time you play it.
- CommenterPerson 1y agoYay for EU. Should an airline charge more for a heavier passenger.. because technically the plane does more lifting. Should a restaurant charge for cutlery? It's good to rein in enshittification everywhere.
- dzhiurgis 1y agoMy relative travels a lot, a lot of it on Ryanair (no other options as they dominate some routes). She's always been happy with it and especially now as new carry-on baggage fees as it eliminated people trying to gamble the system and you actually finally have space to put your bag.
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- yread 1y agoWhat they should do instead is require minimum price per km flown. Not a tax, just cut the bullshit of 1 eur plane tickets. That would stop people from flying unless they really need to