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Copyright is finally being deprecated as it should be. I'm still waiting for an update on the final removal timeline.

by ronsor 1y ago

heavyset_go 1y ago
> Copyright is finally being deprecated as it should be. If you hide behind corporations and have millions of dollars, sure, but not for us normies it isn't.
kelnos 1y ago
That's a dangerous assumption to make. Dropping staffing levels at the US copyright office doesn't change the law. The next administration (or even this one, given how fickle Trump can be) may ramp up enforcement again and go after people committing violations during the current period. And it's not like copyright outside the US is a wild west; most national and international copyright regimes in the developed world are based on the US's system (often because the US has strong-armed other countries to comply).
- analog31 1y ago
  How does the copyright office enforce the law?
  - Brian_K_White 1y ago
    They don't have to. youtube and every other company are doing it for them, only without any of that annoying due process or assumption of innocense or burden of proof or right to recourse or any of that stuff a real public legal process should have.
- tw04 1y ago
  > go after people committing violations At this point it’s a bold assumption they’ll go after people violating anything. It’s become apparent the decade of accusations of “weaponizing government” was a projection and the only people they’ll go after are people they consider enemies, whether they’re breaking any laws or not. That’s the beautiful part of a puppet Supreme Court, you don’t actually need to worry about the laws, you can just make it up as you go.
- like_any_other 1y ago
  > Dropping staffing levels at the US copyright office doesn't change the law. We see this at the patent office, where overworked patent examiners leads to more junk patents being granted. Which is utterly backwards, and stems from viewing patents as something the applicant has earned and needing a good justification to deny them the fruits of their labor, and not as what they are - an enormous restriction on everyone else.
__loam 1y ago
Software engineers and tech workers will make their living off producing IP then say shit like this.
- idle_zealot 1y ago
  > You criticize society and yet you participate in it. How curious.
  - coderatlarge 1y ago
    without siding with the perspective being voiced, i feel compelled to point out your comment sounds like you believe there is a real alternative to criticize yet participate. even if you attempt to disengage and decide to go live in a cabin in the woods off the grid, the irs and any number of other agencies will go after you and your loved ones for doing basic human things like having and raising kids in a non-sanctioned way. so is there really any practical alternative to just voicing dissent?
    - Dylan16807 1y ago
      > your comment sounds like you believe there is a real alternative to criticize yet participate You have this exactly backwards. That belief is in a quote. idle_zealot is attributing that bad opinion to __loam, as a kind of paraphrasing.
      - coderatlarge 1y ago
        thank you for explaining and sorry i totally missed the reference…
  - __loam 1y ago
    The alternative is corporations stealing your work with no recourse.
  - johnnyanmac 1y ago
    It's more like "you criticize society, but vote for its destruction". It's fine having those views, but it's "curious" how those same views go against the incentive structure for making new technology. That can be understandable in other communities with diehard FOSS folk. But this place is a a startup incubator. Clearly appealing more to the entrepreneurial side of industry.
rurp 1y ago
It's being deprecated for billionaires. IP laws are one of the most blatant cases I've seen in this country of wealthy connected people being immune from laws that affect everyone else. I know it happens in many other areas, but usually it's much quieter and less in the public's face.
- johnnyanmac 1y ago
  >I know it happens in many other areas, but usually it's much quieter and less in the public's face. Not as of late. The Executive office and inauguration were full of it on full display, when the year before they were influencing who gets to run for president. They are sucking as much from the nation as possible while eliminating as many jobs as possible (the main way they get defended). They got away with a lot by being boring an overall boiling the frog. But the suffering is very explicit and immediate as of late.
gametorch 1y ago
Yes. I am an anti-copyright extremist. May the best implementation win. Otherwise, everyone loses out so that one individual can artificially collect rent through a government-enforced monopoly. Accelerate.
- hatthew 1y ago
  Downwards acceleration is free
- ordinaryradical 1y ago
  I write novels. What am I supposed to do to earn in this new, copyright-free regime where anyone is free to “implement” my novels?
  - idle_zealot 1y ago
    Attract an audience and ask for patronage or get a job writing on behalf of an employer.
    - martin-t 1y ago
      So basically instead of doing real work (positive sum games - producing value), everyone has to either: a) invest more and more energy into self-promotion, advertisement, etc. (zero- or negative-sum games) or b) flat out give a part of their income to people who are already richer than them?
      - idle_zealot 1y ago
        > a) invest more and more energy into self-promotion, advertisement, etc. (zero- or negative-sum games) How is advertising a book you've written and are selling different than advertising your writing or skills to potential patrons and clients with regard to being negative-sum? b) flat out give a part of their income to people who are already richer than them? Who said anything about the relative wealth or patrons and authors? People seem totally willing to subscribe to people whose creative output they value. Sometimes such patronage is barely enough to live, sometimes it's an impressive total sum.
Stealthisbook 1y ago
The Copyright Office doesn't have much to do with copyright enforcement. That's almost entirely hashed out in court. If anything, the office provides one of the few streamlining mechanisms in an unwieldy system by maintaining registration records so you can track down ownership and at least arrange licensing for works that would otherwise represent an unknown rights minefield.

by ronsor 1y ago

> Copyright is finally being deprecated as it should be. If you hide behind corporations and have millions of dollars, sure, but not for us normies it isn't.

kelnos 1y ago

That's a dangerous assumption to make. Dropping staffing levels at the US copyright office doesn't change the law. The next administration (or even this one, given how fickle Trump can be) may ramp up enforcement again and go after people committing violations during the current period. And it's not like copyright outside the US is a wild west; most national and international copyright regimes in the developed world are based on the US's system (often because the US has strong-armed other countries to comply).

analog31 1y ago
How does the copyright office enforce the law?
- Brian_K_White 1y ago
  They don't have to. youtube and every other company are doing it for them, only without any of that annoying due process or assumption of innocense or burden of proof or right to recourse or any of that stuff a real public legal process should have.
tw04 1y ago
> go after people committing violations At this point it’s a bold assumption they’ll go after people violating anything. It’s become apparent the decade of accusations of “weaponizing government” was a projection and the only people they’ll go after are people they consider enemies, whether they’re breaking any laws or not. That’s the beautiful part of a puppet Supreme Court, you don’t actually need to worry about the laws, you can just make it up as you go.
like_any_other 1y ago
> Dropping staffing levels at the US copyright office doesn't change the law. We see this at the patent office, where overworked patent examiners leads to more junk patents being granted. Which is utterly backwards, and stems from viewing patents as something the applicant has earned and needing a good justification to deny them the fruits of their labor, and not as what they are - an enormous restriction on everyone else.

__loam 1y ago

Software engineers and tech workers will make their living off producing IP then say shit like this.

idle_zealot 1y ago
> You criticize society and yet you participate in it. How curious.
- coderatlarge 1y ago
  without siding with the perspective being voiced, i feel compelled to point out your comment sounds like you believe there is a real alternative to criticize yet participate. even if you attempt to disengage and decide to go live in a cabin in the woods off the grid, the irs and any number of other agencies will go after you and your loved ones for doing basic human things like having and raising kids in a non-sanctioned way. so is there really any practical alternative to just voicing dissent?
  - Dylan16807 1y ago
    > your comment sounds like you believe there is a real alternative to criticize yet participate You have this exactly backwards. That belief is in a quote. idle_zealot is attributing that bad opinion to __loam, as a kind of paraphrasing.
    - coderatlarge 1y ago
      thank you for explaining and sorry i totally missed the reference…
- __loam 1y ago
  The alternative is corporations stealing your work with no recourse.
- johnnyanmac 1y ago
  It's more like "you criticize society, but vote for its destruction". It's fine having those views, but it's "curious" how those same views go against the incentive structure for making new technology. That can be understandable in other communities with diehard FOSS folk. But this place is a a startup incubator. Clearly appealing more to the entrepreneurial side of industry.

rurp 1y ago

It's being deprecated for billionaires. IP laws are one of the most blatant cases I've seen in this country of wealthy connected people being immune from laws that affect everyone else. I know it happens in many other areas, but usually it's much quieter and less in the public's face.

johnnyanmac 1y ago
>I know it happens in many other areas, but usually it's much quieter and less in the public's face. Not as of late. The Executive office and inauguration were full of it on full display, when the year before they were influencing who gets to run for president. They are sucking as much from the nation as possible while eliminating as many jobs as possible (the main way they get defended). They got away with a lot by being boring an overall boiling the frog. But the suffering is very explicit and immediate as of late.

gametorch 1y ago

Yes. I am an anti-copyright extremist. May the best implementation win. Otherwise, everyone loses out so that one individual can artificially collect rent through a government-enforced monopoly. Accelerate.

hatthew 1y ago
Downwards acceleration is free
ordinaryradical 1y ago
I write novels. What am I supposed to do to earn in this new, copyright-free regime where anyone is free to “implement” my novels?
- idle_zealot 1y ago
  Attract an audience and ask for patronage or get a job writing on behalf of an employer.
  - martin-t 1y ago
    So basically instead of doing real work (positive sum games - producing value), everyone has to either: a) invest more and more energy into self-promotion, advertisement, etc. (zero- or negative-sum games) or b) flat out give a part of their income to people who are already richer than them?
    - idle_zealot 1y ago
      > a) invest more and more energy into self-promotion, advertisement, etc. (zero- or negative-sum games) How is advertising a book you've written and are selling different than advertising your writing or skills to potential patrons and clients with regard to being negative-sum? b) flat out give a part of their income to people who are already richer than them? Who said anything about the relative wealth or patrons and authors? People seem totally willing to subscribe to people whose creative output they value. Sometimes such patronage is barely enough to live, sometimes it's an impressive total sum.

Stealthisbook 1y ago

The Copyright Office doesn't have much to do with copyright enforcement. That's almost entirely hashed out in court. If anything, the office provides one of the few streamlining mechanisms in an unwieldy system by maintaining registration records so you can track down ownership and at least arrange licensing for works that would otherwise represent an unknown rights minefield.