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Central Park hits temp record last seen in 1888
- burnt-resistor 1y agoETA until "Climate change is a myth and CO2 isn't increasing." is uttered? Can we call this ~~Wingod's~~ Carson's law?[0] 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Carson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Carson
- oezi 1y agoI don't think anybody seriously thinks Climate Change is a myth. There are just too many people who are too selfish to care.
- stratocumulus0 1y agoEvery time there is a longer period of cold weather in the warm season I see populists on social media ironically asking where is this climate change supposed to be. People have a short context window. It doesn't help that our efforts to combat climate change consist in large part of petty consumer regulations that are annoying to individuals while not achieving much.
- RiverCrochet 1y agoSocial media is so easy to fill with unaccountable non-genuine activity (bots, shills, trolls, influencers, guerilla marketers, reputation managers, bored attention seekers) that I no longer consider most social media a valid heuristic for what "everyone thinks." I made this decision after looking at the profiles of those who tended to post like that, most of the time they seem fake. What is the valid heuristic is that what you see on it all the time is clearly what someone wants you think. Someone in real life that cites rando social media too much is probably on their phone too much or themselves in a non-genuine activity group.
- sjsdaiuasgdia 1y agoIt's difficult to reliably sort the "it's a myth" believers from the opportunists, the selfish, and the lazy. The US has a president that has routinely supported the "it's a myth" viewpoint [0], which increases the visibility and credibility of climate change contrarians regardless of their motivations. [0] https://www.factcheck.org/2024/09/trump-clings-to-inaccurate-climate-change-talking-points/ https://www.factcheck.org/2024/09/trump-clings-to-inaccurate...
- add-sub-mul-div 1y agoThe most fascinating thing about him is that from day to day and topic to topic he can switch between looking (convincingly) like he's either selling the grift or buying it.
- burnt-resistor 1y agoDon't forget nonzero % of actual bots and sock puppet meatcloud boiler room operations trying to manipulate sentiment / manufacture consent by flooding the zone with trolling, contrariness, and low-effort "opposition".
- Cthulhu_ 1y agoThere's plenty, but they don't know the difference between weather and climate.
- deadbabe 1y agoI haven’t heard much about Climate Change in recent months, and to be honest it’s kind of comforting to forget it exists. If we can’t do anything about it, then might as well not think about it. It’s so much less stressful and doesn’t put me in a bad mood the way doomer articles do. The outcome won’t change either way. If someone isn’t proposing a solution, I don’t want to hear the problems.
- callmeal 1y ago>If we can’t do anything about it, then might as well not think about it. The thing is, we can do something about it, but unfortunately we've been lobbied into believing that profits trump "doing something about it".
- larrled 1y agoOne thing we can do is to understand denial is a normal human defense mechanism. Better to avoid triggering denial by not making people afraid of the future. And when denial exists in a person already, best to avoid arguing with or labeling that person and getting them more deeply invested in their denial. Yet, too often we’ve: overwhelmed people with fear, argued with them when they tended towards normal defense mechanisms to cope with that fear, and then labeled people so their initial reaction of denial becomes a permanent part of their identity. Amazingly that isn’t saving the planet too quickly.
- quesera 1y agoThat's fair, but it turns out that indulging the denial does not lead to positive results either. So where does that leave us?
- pixxel 1y ago[dead]
- sneak 1y agoI’m not a denier, nor do I dispute climate change, but it seems taken for granted that extreme weather events as of late are caused directly by climate change. It seems probable; likely even. But how do we know? Is it a guess? The very fact that New York hit this temperature in 1888 (pre industrial revolution) suggests that we can’t take it on faith, as we have at least one data point that suggests heat spikes like this have happened in recent planet history without extra atmospheric CO2.
- Cthulhu_ 1y agoThere's a correlation, but it's better to look at long term weather trends and averages, like this page does https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/... (read it while it's not censored yet). It shows a clear increase in average temperatures, at least for the time period we have fairly accurate figures (so after 1880). for anything before 1880 and pre-history there's other sources like deep ice cores, geological strata, tree rings, etc. Not accurate, but good enough for an educated guess.
- femiagbabiaka 1y agoThe effects of human-driven climate change are not about the existence of extreme weather events, but about their frequency. https://science.nasa.gov/earth/climate-change/extreme-makeover-human-activities-are-making-some-extreme-events-more-frequent-or-intense/ https://science.nasa.gov/earth/climate-change/extreme-makeov...
- ajsnigrutin 1y agoThis is still a very short-term chart, compared to eg.: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Global-mean-temperatures-over-the-last-500-000-years-11_fig3_356606430 https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Global-mean-temperatures... Not saying or denying anything, but on a universe-al scale, 200 years is nothing, since some changes take longer.
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- votepaunchy 1y agoCurrent (and more accurate) title is “Central Park hits temp record last seen on this date in 1888 as heat wave hits eastern US”.
- bdw5204 1y agoIt's also worth noting that reliable daily temperature records only go back to the late 1800s. The way you know this is that there are no record highs or lows in 1788 or even 1828. Most likely, at least some of the real records were set prior to the invention of temperature measurement. On a related note, global population data before about 1800 or so is also unreliable because censuses hadn't been invented yet. During the Enlightenment, people actually debated if world population was increasing or decreasing. Many thought it had been constantly decreasing since the decline and fall of Rome. In general, reliable statistics for more or less anything are newer than the United States of America.
- vidarh 1y agoUhm, censuses are described in the Bible - in fact one has a central enough role that even a committed heathen like me is aware of it -, and existed many places on a similar timeline. I have no problem believing that they were imprecise, and not widespread enough to give good global numbers, but they had certainly been invented much earlier.
- graemep 1y agoYes, but they were imprecise and inconsistent. The Roman Empire had a motive to take a census (for things such as taxation of its subjects) and the means to enforce it over a wide area, neither of which survived its fall.
- vidarh 1y agoHence: > I have no problem believing that they were imprecise I only took issue with the claim they were invented that late.
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- neilv 1y ago> Temperatures in some locations from Philadelphia to Boston could be the hottest in any month in over a decade. Additional records could fall Wednesday and Thursday. Boston here (home of decaying old red brick pizza oven buildings, not designed for modern summers). This morning, as we enter a forecast high of 102F real temp, and heat index up to 110, my own old building is trying to get a 5-hour water shutdown of our entire building of ~100 residents, including elderly... postponed until after the scorching peak of the heat wave is over. Not only do we have neither the architecture nor the acclimation for hot climate, but we don't even know what's ridiculously stupid behavior in such a climate.
- voidfunc 1y agoI don't miss my old 3rd floor, top floor apartment in an old brick building with a black roof and no AC in Boston. I put up with that for a decade before I upgraded.
- neilv 1y agoYep, flat black roof. 20 years ago, I'd get through Boston summers fine without AC. On the hottest days, just put down the blinds for the afternoon. And about one week per summer, I used a small fan. I'm ready to upgrade, as soon as I know what city I'll be moving/staying to, after new job/startup search (and what my budget will be).
- voidfunc 1y agoGood luck! I'm still in the area, beautiful city, but the housing stock sucks for what it costs.
- Kon-Peki 1y agoDo you have roof access? It's not going to be terribly windy in Boston... There are places that sell/rent temporary roof coverings, mainly for protecting from storm damage until it can get fixed. But anyway, white/reflective coverings are available, and can be held down with a few bricks for a week.
- steveBK123 1y agoIt’s also very humid and the heat isn’t breaking overnight… really taxing home cooling systems in the northeast.
- EncomLab 1y agoWonder if this winter will see another blizzard of 1888 event?
- qoez 1y agoI'm going to allow this piece of news out of my control to ruin my day and leave me a nervous wreck for the rest of the week.
- potato3732842 1y agoMake sure you screech about it in every online comment section where it seems applicable for the next 6-16mo for best effect. :)
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- newer_vienna 1y agop(new high) in a static normal distribution is significant when there are 365 samples of it per year
- cochne 1y agoWouldn’t it be 1/(number of days since 1888) for a given day? Or 1/(number of years) for a given year? So less than 1/100 if static and independent
- maccam912 1y agoThat's how I read it too, but the record is only for hottest June 24th of all the June 24ths since 1888. So yeah it's 1/number of years or so but we get 365 attempts at that a year to have this headline.
- simianwords 1y agoI think I get what you are saying. By definition we will always hit keep records for every selected statistic over time. We can also have the coldest day in Central Park at some point.
- madcaptenor 1y agoOne way to look at climate change in terms of records: there are a lot more record highs than record lows these days. If the climate were unchanging you'd expect those numbers to be equal.
- tiahura 1y agoHow did it get so hot in 1888?
- timr 1y agoWe also just had a month of extremely cold summer weather. It was around 60-70 degrees most of last week in New York.
- sorcerer-mar 1y agowhy did nobody warn us?!
- dsr_ 1y agoAdding energy to a chaotic system increases the dynamic range. Lows get lower and highs get higher. Admittedly, this has only been characterized since 1969, but it has been in the news rather a lot since then.
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- walthamstow 1y agoWhat a great year to be hosting a football tournament in the USA in June. Same again next year, I'm sure.
- sorcerer-mar 1y agoIn Los Angeles? LA has perpetually incredible weather (but a quickly worsening water issue). The USA is an astonishingly large place. Weather in NYC means literally nothing about weather in Los Angeles.
- walthamstow 1y agoPhiladelphia is near NY, is it not? East Rutherford NJ is even closer and Washington DC is another nearby venue for this year's tournament. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/czdvllm9352o https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/czdvllm9352o
- sorcerer-mar 1y ago1) I thought you were referring to World Cup 2) Even then I'd have been wrong, since the World Cup is all over the country! The more you (I) know!
- walthamstow 1y agoThe made-up nonsense world cup for club teams is on now, and the proper international one is next summer. Both years the final is in the MetLife stadium in NJ.
- sorcerer-mar 1y agoYeah that's for sure going to be awful in June. The New York area has really brutal weather on both extremes, unfortunately.
- madcaptenor 1y ago