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You can’t block all of it all of the time, and children (some of the most vulnerable) especially can’t.
by mathgeek 1y ago
You can’t block all of it all of the time, and children (some of the most vulnerable) especially can’t.
- razakel 1y agoAnd that's why government regulation was invented.
- datameta 1y agoYou mean corporations regulating the government? Oh wait...
- tnel77 1y agoTrue, and this is why you shouldn’t just hand your kid an iPad and peace out. I’m all for technology and video games for my kids, but I’m vigilant to keep my kids’ eyes away from ads. As a result, my kids aren’t foaming at the mouth for the latest and greatest toys and games which was my experience as a child.
- wobfan 1y agoThing is, keeping children out of Instagram, Facebook, or whatever new social media is hyping currently will probably make them kind of weirdos in their bubble, e.g. in school. At least this would be my fear (don't have children). And good luck trying to use any of these ad-infested privacy-invading platforms while trying to avoid ads.
- geerlingguy 1y agoIt doesn't have to make them weird, especially if you're in a school district where there are no-phone policies. Otherwise it can be difficult, for sure.
- allenrb 1y agoLearning how to stand on your own in school is good practice for doing the same thing in life. By which I’m absolutely not saying “don’t have friends” but rather, you don’t have to be like everyone else. My kids won’t be on social media until they’re not kids anymore. If none of us take a stand, nothing ever changes.
- nradov 1y agoYour kids will create hidden social media accounts that you don't know about. That's what I would have done in their situation.
- olyjohn 1y agoTheir exposure will still be much less than someone who gives them free reign and lets them sit in the livingroom staring at a phone. They won't be staring at the phone distracted while they're hanging out with the family.
- kadushka 1y agoHiding things from parents is a far bigger problem than staring at a phone in a living room.
- andelink 1y agoNo it’s not. Everyone hid things from their parents. I hid soooo much from my parents. It’s fine. It’s normal. It’s far more important to have limited exposure to modern smart phones.
- blackqueeriroh 1y agoThe people who say things like this inevitably are the ones who spend ten minutes with a therapist and the therapist’s eyes go wide
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- RankingMember 1y agoBeing an outlier when the in-group is actively having their brains turned to mush seems like the better of the two outcomes.
- bigstrat2003 1y agoThis argument is popular but doesn't hold water. If we suppose for the sake of argument that social media is bad for kids, then it is a parent's duty to keep them off it even if that makes the kid unpopular. As an analogy, consider a kid whose social circle is all shooting heroin. Would it then become acceptable to let your kid do heroin? Of course not. Similarly, even if all the other kids are on social media, it doesn't become acceptable to let your kid use social media (going with the assumed premise that it's bad for them).
- Forgeties79 1y agoIt takes a lot of work to be a parent and also monitor all that media consumption/stop all ads. The “average person” isn’t as tech savvy as most of us here and that stuff just doesn’t come as easily to them. For instance I am very comfortable letting my kids play video games. I play a lot myself, I can make good judgments about what is appropriate for them, what is an appropriate amount of time to play, what is good/bad behavior when playing, what systems are a good choice or if online access (if any) is appropriate. I barely need to think about these things, but for some people this is an incredibly time-consuming, intimidating task.
- rangestransform 1y agoIs it not ok that parents that spend more time and effort with their kids have better outcomes than parents that spend less time? I’d rather that than have the nanny state regulate everything bad for kids out of existence; we already know what kind of civil rights violations politicians try to justify with children.
- tr81 1y agoIt is very hard work raising kids if you are interested in parenting and want to do your best. The thing is that not everyone's life goal is to be the best parent around. And there is pressure from the society/culture/government to reproduce for healthy economy. If we as a country want people to have more children, then we need to make their job easier. That may include censorship, age verifications, etc.
- Forgeties79 1y agoYou’re making this a very stark, binary choice. Reality is far more nuanced.
- tw04 1y agoHalf of the country is teaching their kids to take religion literally and never question it, and that any news story that you don’t like isn’t real, simply because you disagree with it. Handing over an iPad is the least of the issues facing a large portion of our youth and frankly they might be better off if their parents did sit them in front of it and walk away.
- mrguyorama 1y agoOne of the important purposes of a society is to improve the raising of kids who might not be raised well by their parents alone, because it is a valuable outcome to everyone. You don't choose who you get born to, so if society chooses to say "If you get born to a shitty person, you will suffer immensely and we will do nothing about it", that is a bad society. Nobody deserves to suffer due to an accident of birth. Also, "It takes a village to raise a child" is not exactly metaphorical.
- xattt 1y ago> children … especially can’t Worry about your own kids, teach them the right values, and use others’ imperfect knowledge to the advantage of your family.
- suddenlybananas 1y agoYeah who cares about society?
- koakuma-chan 1y agoHow do you propose to at least get society off TikTok or Instagram? You will only face backlash if you try to utter in that direction.
- op00to 1y agoI’ve never had anyone say anything other than “yes, that seems like a good idea, I wish I could do that” when i tell them I do not have a TikTok, instagram, twitter, facebook, etc account.
- koakuma-chan 1y agoI guess they all need those accounts for their student visas.
- Frogeman 1y agoLike virtue signalling techies are actually able to do anything about it. Fix your own house - as the previous poster said - and then worry about outside your family unit.
- rayiner 1y agoI’m not sure my kids have ever seen an ad except for little computer games, and they have laptops and iPads (but no network TV or cable). They are far less exposed to consumerism than when we were kids. My teenage daughter dresses like a hobo.
- neutronicus 1y agoIf they've seen Paw Patrol they've been exposed to ads. I don't mean "commercials" I mean that the entertainment itself is the ad - generating excitement for branded merchandise, but also normalizing the idea of kids accomplishing things and learning life lessons in 20-minute increments with the aid of a tremendous amount of stuff that they just have. Maybe they haven't but the idea extends to most kids' entertainment.
- devmor 1y agoOr you end up with the opposite end of the problem. I grew up in destitute poverty and was told all my childhood that credit was an evil trap - I should absolutely never use it. Well, spring forward to me starting a pretty good career as a software developer and wanting to get my first reliable car. I had no credit history and ended up with a 19% APR. That really, really sucked. It's been 10 years since then and I still get dinged for not having "enough" credit history despite having a couple car loans and several credit cards that I rotate bills on. The whole system feels like it's designed to punish anyone who doesn't fit into the role of a perfect consumer.
- potato3732842 1y agoYou didn't get fucked with 19% apr because you had no credit history. You got fucked with 19% APR because either the parameters of the loan were really bad or there were some other circumstances. Income less existing obligations vs payment size account for the lion's share of interest rate on an auto loan or just about any other consumer loan. Credit history is massively over-sold as being impactful by the kind of idiots who live payment to payment.
- lokar 1y agoI agree. My first use of credit was a car loan when I graduated. I had the offer letter to show income (I had not started yet) and some up front sign on / relocation money for the down payment. It was fine, I paid it off quickly.
- devmor 1y agoNo, I got 19% APR because I had no credit history. I know this because there is a big detailed letter full of reasons for your offered rate that you receive when you take out a loan. The fact that you don’t know this suggests you probably don’t know a lot about how loans work.
- Frogeman 1y agoI got a car loan at a 8% rate right out of undergrad… you got hosed, maybe you were in a hyperinflationary environment though. I bet they sent you a letter telling you it was your lack of credit history. You didn’t find one of the many credit providers and have them fight to give you the best rate? Credit is an extremely elementary thing to grok in a day or so