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So short sighted and self destructive. The US is actively sabotaging its future in innovation, manufacturing and energy. For what? To make its car industry even

So short sighted and self destructive. The US is actively sabotaging its future in innovation, manufacturing and energy. For what? To make its car industry even less competitive? The world is moving on with or without the US, as you say.

toomuchtodo 1y ago
For profits today. There is no will or care to invest for the future in the US.
- foobarian 1y ago
  Wonder if it's just that, or whether there is a more sinister mindset in place that would gladly see the country slide in reverse towards a backward theocracy that would be easier to control.
  - dalyons 1y ago
    Honestly I think it’s neither, it’s just stupidity, incompetence and spite.
  - danaris 1y ago
    I mean, it's not exactly hard to see what the cause is of the resistance to electric cars and renewable energy: it's a combination of the vastly wealthy fossil fuel industry throwing its weight around, and specifically behind the Republican Party, and said party taking that and turning it into an ideological issue almost akin to a religion. There are certainly some with power who are keen to "see the country slide in reverse towards a backward theocracy that would be easier to control", but by and large they're just riding an existing wave that's largely an emergent property of the system, while maybe making some nudges here and there to reduce the resistance to said wave.
- georgeecollins 1y ago
  Do you mean there is no will to make public investments in the future? Because in the private space the US leads the world in investing in the future. Think about how much we invest in AI and self driving! I think a US private company pioneered electric cars.
  - toomuchtodo 1y ago
    I argue you are overvaluing AI and self driving and undervaluing the capability to build high-tech products, systems, and infrastructure.
  - dylan604 1y ago
    no, they mean there's no interest in tomorrow's profits when you can have them today. besides "they" won't be here tomorrow, so get it now. Don't be a simp and leave things for someone else.
  - RankingMember 1y ago
    > I think a US private company pioneered electric cars. Electric cars have been around since the late 1800s. If you mean modern ones, in the US the California Air Resources Board basically willed them back into existence in the 90s, and a California automaker (Tesla pre-Musk) made great strides in their public esteem by putting a battery pack and electric motor into a Lotus chassis and selling it as the "Roadster" (leaning on the prior art of companies like Ford and especially GM's EV1).
  - germinalphrase 1y ago
    That US private company was significantly enabled by a (apparently temporary) government policy of direct and indirect financial support. That company does not exist without the direct and intentional support by the US government.
mindslight 1y ago
It's not really "for" anything besides letting increasingly-marginalized people feel like they have some agency. Of course, choosing to politically express themselves with spite instead of constructive solutions based on what they want is exactly why they continue to be increasingly marginalized.

toomuchtodo 1y ago

For profits today. There is no will or care to invest for the future in the US.

foobarian 1y ago
Wonder if it's just that, or whether there is a more sinister mindset in place that would gladly see the country slide in reverse towards a backward theocracy that would be easier to control.
- dalyons 1y ago
  Honestly I think it’s neither, it’s just stupidity, incompetence and spite.
- danaris 1y ago
  I mean, it's not exactly hard to see what the cause is of the resistance to electric cars and renewable energy: it's a combination of the vastly wealthy fossil fuel industry throwing its weight around, and specifically behind the Republican Party, and said party taking that and turning it into an ideological issue almost akin to a religion. There are certainly some with power who are keen to "see the country slide in reverse towards a backward theocracy that would be easier to control", but by and large they're just riding an existing wave that's largely an emergent property of the system, while maybe making some nudges here and there to reduce the resistance to said wave.
georgeecollins 1y ago
Do you mean there is no will to make public investments in the future? Because in the private space the US leads the world in investing in the future. Think about how much we invest in AI and self driving! I think a US private company pioneered electric cars.
- toomuchtodo 1y ago
  I argue you are overvaluing AI and self driving and undervaluing the capability to build high-tech products, systems, and infrastructure.
- dylan604 1y ago
  no, they mean there's no interest in tomorrow's profits when you can have them today. besides "they" won't be here tomorrow, so get it now. Don't be a simp and leave things for someone else.
- RankingMember 1y ago
  > I think a US private company pioneered electric cars. Electric cars have been around since the late 1800s. If you mean modern ones, in the US the California Air Resources Board basically willed them back into existence in the 90s, and a California automaker (Tesla pre-Musk) made great strides in their public esteem by putting a battery pack and electric motor into a Lotus chassis and selling it as the "Roadster" (leaning on the prior art of companies like Ford and especially GM's EV1).
- germinalphrase 1y ago
  That US private company was significantly enabled by a (apparently temporary) government policy of direct and indirect financial support. That company does not exist without the direct and intentional support by the US government.

mindslight 1y ago

It's not really "for" anything besides letting increasingly-marginalized people feel like they have some agency. Of course, choosing to politically express themselves with spite instead of constructive solutions based on what they want is exactly why they continue to be increasingly marginalized.