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> I think Netanyahu belongs in prison For those who didn't know: There are multiple charges of corruption against him, which he is probably guilty of. But as l

> I think Netanyahu belongs in prison For those who didn't know: There are multiple charges of corruption against him, which he is probably guilty of. But as long as he can lead Israel in a state of emergency, he can have those delayed, or perhaps even work around them. This new war against Iran also diverts attention away from what is happening in Gaza. The starvation has entered a new critical phase. The populace has been concentrated, so they can no longer work the fields. The number of sites that are handing out food aid have been greatly reduced, and dozens of people are killed every day by Israeli soldiers while they are trying to get to the sites.

amelius 1y ago
ICC also has an arrest warrant against Netanyahu.
- Findecanor 1y ago
  For events in Gaza last year, yes. The corruption charges are older and domestic only.
  - ncallaway 1y ago
    Yes, but it does significantly limit any "flee the country" options for escaping domestic charges.
    - t-3 1y ago
      Not all that much. Practically speaking, NATO countries will not arrest him.
      - amelius 1y ago
        ICC is being hosted by a NATO country ...
        t-3 1y ago
        Netanyahu has visited countries which are signatories and not been arrested. Even politicians in the Netherlands have said that they will not arrest him if he comes.
        amelius 1y ago
        Those visits only happened because he was given the guarantee of not being arrested. I.e. they happened in the name of diplomacy. Also, don't mix up a politician's personal opinions and official policy.
        beepbopboopp 1y ago
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        ricardobeat 1y ago
        The main charge is for the war crime of “starvation as a method of warfare”. There is nothing political about that, and any measure of righteousness in what lead to it is irrelevant.
        beepbopboopp 1y ago
        You're referring to the cutting off of supply lines into places where the enemy has chosen to embed themselves. With almost infinite video proof of misappropriation of all humanitarian aid (food and supplies) of their citizens during the conflict. This is literally how every war since time has gone. The "Starvation" nomenclature is propganda, which to their credit they are CRUSHING at.
        amelius 1y ago
        > With almost infinite video proof One-sided proof. The Isreali already made themselves impossible by banning the press.
      - closewith 1y ago
        That is too broad. There are NATO countries who will not currently arrest Netanyahu, but not all. The tide of public opinion has turned against Israel in even the countries most supportive like Germany and the US, so it's only a matter of time.
Spooky23 1y ago
Wasn’t there some sort of the parliamentary issue with his government that this new war will push off as well?
andsoitis 1y ago
> This new war against Iran also diverts attention away from what is happening in Gaza my interpretation is: disable Hamas (who embeds amongst civilians), then go after Iran (the true head of the dragon).
- MSFT_Edging 1y ago
  What is the difference between chasing an imagined "Hamas" among the civilians and just starving and killing civilians?
  - andsoitis 1y ago
    > chasing an imagined "Hamas" among the civilians what do you mean by this? that there is no Hamas, or that they aren't embedded amongst civilians, or something else?
    - IOT_Apprentice 1y ago
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    - 8note 1y ago
      that what israel is targeting is unrelated to hamas being at some point embedded amongst civilians, or whether they exist at all. israel is instead making up its own hamas, and then bombing the food aid to target the civilians.
    - Hikikomori 1y ago
      Israel is clearly capable of targeted attacks, like hitting one bedroom in a large apartment building in Iran. Yet they continue to use block sized bombs in Gaza.
      - muzani 1y ago
        They released footage of Hamas leaders being assassinated by drones to prove that Hamas really does exist. But they gotta bomb those hospitals to be extra sure.
edanm 1y ago
> But as long as he can lead Israel in a state of emergency, he can have those delayed, or perhaps even work around them. Well, that's kind of true. The Iran war has certainly stopped proceedings against Netanyahu, because the courts are shut down - along with much of the country. That said, this can't last much because the economy is completely shut down, and the trials against him were ongoing, eve amidst the Gaza war. So he can't just indefinitely put off the trial against him.
- geysersam 1y ago
  > So he can't just indefinitely put off the trial against him. Unless he changes the law, which he's tried on multiple occasions
avip 1y ago
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- borski 1y ago
  It’s an opinion. People are allowed to form those with imperfect information.
  - avip 1y ago
    But what is the opinion based on? Has OP read the filings or something?
    - dontTREATonme 1y ago
      [flagged]
- broast 1y ago
  If they waited to know the outcome then it wouldn't be a probability
- Windchaser 1y ago
  Is OJ Simpson "probably guilty" of murder?
reactordev 1y ago
War crimes are only crimes when the war ends… start another war.
- arendtio 1y ago
  Recently, I read about the Qibya massacre [1]. Sometimes, even the end of war does not seem to bring any justice, and you wonder what kind of people manage to become prime minister... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qibya_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qibya_massacre
  - reactordev 1y ago
    Oh I’m definitely not defending the man. He’s scum. And you’re totally right - so many atrocities are swept under the rug.
oldgradstudent 1y ago
>There are multiple charges of corruption against him, which he is probably guilty of. For anyone who is not following the trial, as soon as the prosecution's case-in-chief was over, the judges publicly notified the prosecution that they should drop the bribery charges as they are unlikely to be able to prove them. The prosecution case for briberty was built on a hypothesized meeting in which Netanyahu supposedely instructed the director general of the ministry of communications to serve the interests of Elovitch. During cross examination, the defense managed to prove conclusively that such a meeting, as described, could not have occurred. They also showed that the presocution had the evidence to show it could not have occurred. Don't assume guilt or innocence based on heavily politisized reporting. https://www.kan.org.il/content/kan-news/local/409910/ https://www.kan.org.il/content/kan-news/local/409910/ (use Google Translate)
- jama211 1y ago
  Why are people getting in the weeds about these specific cases? Isn’t, you know, all the genociding a good enough reason for us to want him to be imprisoned? I feel like I’m taking crazy pills reading this thread.
  - mylons 1y ago
    is the destruction of gaza awful? yes. is it a genoicde? no. flippantly tossing words around devalues them and debases the conversation. https://worldpopulationreview.com/cities/palestine/gaza https://worldpopulationreview.com/cities/palestine/gaza the 20 years leading up to trump, calling every republican a nazi, has completely destroyed the meaning of the word. trump is actually doing a lot of fascist leaning stuff this time around, and you could possibly use that word appropriately but it is currently meaningless.
    - drcongo 1y ago
      It's genocide. And the reason we were using the word nazi for twenty years was to try to warn everyone what was happening, but nobody listened, and now you got nazis.
rabidonrails 1y ago
We should be clear about these cases that are brought against him (I'm not saying he isn't guilty, but context is important here): Case 1 - as Minister of Communications he, allegedly, tried to get a tax extension for a company whose owners had given him expensive cigars and jewelry to his wife (worth $3100). The extension was not granted. He also tried to get a US visa for one of the owners. Case 2 - One of the newspapers in Israel said that if he gave them advantages over a competing newpaper they would paint Bibi and his family in a positive light in their coverage *Case 3 - seemingly similar to Case 2, a large news website offered to portray Bibi in a better light if he would push through regulatory changes as Minisiter of Communications.
- mdhb 1y ago
  Then you know… there’s the whole crimes against humanity thing from the ICC too…
  - nahnahno 1y ago
    Based on their heavily biased view of the Gaza conflict, based on their Arabic affiliations and the Hamas-run Gaza government’s reporting.
    - ezbie 1y ago
      [flagged]
      - EvgeniyZh 1y ago
        Bringing up Al Jazeera as an unbiased source about Israel is weird. Amnesty international emitted report that say "Israel is not commiting genocide according to existing definitions, thus definitions should be changed": > As outlined below, Amnesty International considers this an overly cramped interpretation of international jurisprudence and one that would effectively preclude a finding of genocide in the context of an armed conflict. Somehow people cite it as a proof of genocide. BBC has produced a documentary with narrator being son of Hamas official, and were forced to apologize for that [1]. They sheleved another documentary with impartiality concerns. They have contributors calling to "burn Jews like Hitler" [2]. So yeah, there are unbiased critics of Israel, just none of those you listed [1] https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/statements/gaza-how-to-survive-a-war-zone https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/statements/gaza-how-to-survi... [2] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/26/well-burn-jews-like-hitler-did-says-bbcs-reporter-in-gaza/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/26/well-burn-jews-l...
enjeyw 1y ago
Side note to dang: Please don’t delete this thread. Yes it’s getting pretty heated, but it’s by far the most rational discussion of this topic I’ve seen in a while. Plus I’ve learnt a few things, which tends to be a positive signal for quality
gaoryrt 1y ago
As long as he can deliver a checkmate.
amy214 1y ago
>Israel >The populace has been concentrated >in a camp ummmmmmmmmm

amelius 1y ago

ICC also has an arrest warrant against Netanyahu.

Findecanor 1y ago
For events in Gaza last year, yes. The corruption charges are older and domestic only.
- ncallaway 1y ago
  Yes, but it does significantly limit any "flee the country" options for escaping domestic charges.
  - t-3 1y ago
    Not all that much. Practically speaking, NATO countries will not arrest him.
    - amelius 1y ago
      ICC is being hosted by a NATO country ...
      - t-3 1y ago
        Netanyahu has visited countries which are signatories and not been arrested. Even politicians in the Netherlands have said that they will not arrest him if he comes.
        amelius 1y ago
        Those visits only happened because he was given the guarantee of not being arrested. I.e. they happened in the name of diplomacy. Also, don't mix up a politician's personal opinions and official policy.
        beepbopboopp 1y ago
        [flagged]
        ricardobeat 1y ago
        The main charge is for the war crime of “starvation as a method of warfare”. There is nothing political about that, and any measure of righteousness in what lead to it is irrelevant.
        beepbopboopp 1y ago
        You're referring to the cutting off of supply lines into places where the enemy has chosen to embed themselves. With almost infinite video proof of misappropriation of all humanitarian aid (food and supplies) of their citizens during the conflict. This is literally how every war since time has gone. The "Starvation" nomenclature is propganda, which to their credit they are CRUSHING at.
        amelius 1y ago
        > With almost infinite video proof One-sided proof. The Isreali already made themselves impossible by banning the press.
    - closewith 1y ago
      That is too broad. There are NATO countries who will not currently arrest Netanyahu, but not all. The tide of public opinion has turned against Israel in even the countries most supportive like Germany and the US, so it's only a matter of time.

Spooky23 1y ago

Wasn’t there some sort of the parliamentary issue with his government that this new war will push off as well?

andsoitis 1y ago

> This new war against Iran also diverts attention away from what is happening in Gaza my interpretation is: disable Hamas (who embeds amongst civilians), then go after Iran (the true head of the dragon).

MSFT_Edging 1y ago
What is the difference between chasing an imagined "Hamas" among the civilians and just starving and killing civilians?
- andsoitis 1y ago
  > chasing an imagined "Hamas" among the civilians what do you mean by this? that there is no Hamas, or that they aren't embedded amongst civilians, or something else?
  - IOT_Apprentice 1y ago
    [flagged]
  - 8note 1y ago
    that what israel is targeting is unrelated to hamas being at some point embedded amongst civilians, or whether they exist at all. israel is instead making up its own hamas, and then bombing the food aid to target the civilians.
  - Hikikomori 1y ago
    Israel is clearly capable of targeted attacks, like hitting one bedroom in a large apartment building in Iran. Yet they continue to use block sized bombs in Gaza.
    - muzani 1y ago
      They released footage of Hamas leaders being assassinated by drones to prove that Hamas really does exist. But they gotta bomb those hospitals to be extra sure.

edanm 1y ago

> But as long as he can lead Israel in a state of emergency, he can have those delayed, or perhaps even work around them. Well, that's kind of true. The Iran war has certainly stopped proceedings against Netanyahu, because the courts are shut down - along with much of the country. That said, this can't last much because the economy is completely shut down, and the trials against him were ongoing, eve amidst the Gaza war. So he can't just indefinitely put off the trial against him.

geysersam 1y ago
> So he can't just indefinitely put off the trial against him. Unless he changes the law, which he's tried on multiple occasions

avip 1y ago

[flagged]

borski 1y ago
It’s an opinion. People are allowed to form those with imperfect information.
- avip 1y ago
  But what is the opinion based on? Has OP read the filings or something?
  - dontTREATonme 1y ago
    [flagged]
broast 1y ago
If they waited to know the outcome then it wouldn't be a probability
Windchaser 1y ago
Is OJ Simpson "probably guilty" of murder?

reactordev 1y ago

War crimes are only crimes when the war ends… start another war.

arendtio 1y ago
Recently, I read about the Qibya massacre [1]. Sometimes, even the end of war does not seem to bring any justice, and you wonder what kind of people manage to become prime minister... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qibya_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qibya_massacre
- reactordev 1y ago
  Oh I’m definitely not defending the man. He’s scum. And you’re totally right - so many atrocities are swept under the rug.

oldgradstudent 1y ago

>There are multiple charges of corruption against him, which he is probably guilty of. For anyone who is not following the trial, as soon as the prosecution's case-in-chief was over, the judges publicly notified the prosecution that they should drop the bribery charges as they are unlikely to be able to prove them. The prosecution case for briberty was built on a hypothesized meeting in which Netanyahu supposedely instructed the director general of the ministry of communications to serve the interests of Elovitch. During cross examination, the defense managed to prove conclusively that such a meeting, as described, could not have occurred. They also showed that the presocution had the evidence to show it could not have occurred. Don't assume guilt or innocence based on heavily politisized reporting. https://www.kan.org.il/content/kan-news/local/409910/ https://www.kan.org.il/content/kan-news/local/409910/ (use Google Translate)

jama211 1y ago
Why are people getting in the weeds about these specific cases? Isn’t, you know, all the genociding a good enough reason for us to want him to be imprisoned? I feel like I’m taking crazy pills reading this thread.
- mylons 1y ago
  is the destruction of gaza awful? yes. is it a genoicde? no. flippantly tossing words around devalues them and debases the conversation. https://worldpopulationreview.com/cities/palestine/gaza https://worldpopulationreview.com/cities/palestine/gaza the 20 years leading up to trump, calling every republican a nazi, has completely destroyed the meaning of the word. trump is actually doing a lot of fascist leaning stuff this time around, and you could possibly use that word appropriately but it is currently meaningless.
  - drcongo 1y ago
    It's genocide. And the reason we were using the word nazi for twenty years was to try to warn everyone what was happening, but nobody listened, and now you got nazis.

rabidonrails 1y ago

We should be clear about these cases that are brought against him (I'm not saying he isn't guilty, but context is important here): Case 1 - as Minister of Communications he, allegedly, tried to get a tax extension for a company whose owners had given him expensive cigars and jewelry to his wife (worth $3100). The extension was not granted. He also tried to get a US visa for one of the owners. Case 2 - One of the newspapers in Israel said that if he gave them advantages over a competing newpaper they would paint Bibi and his family in a positive light in their coverage *Case 3 - seemingly similar to Case 2, a large news website offered to portray Bibi in a better light if he would push through regulatory changes as Minisiter of Communications.

mdhb 1y ago
Then you know… there’s the whole crimes against humanity thing from the ICC too…
- nahnahno 1y ago
  Based on their heavily biased view of the Gaza conflict, based on their Arabic affiliations and the Hamas-run Gaza government’s reporting.
  - ezbie 1y ago
    [flagged]
    - EvgeniyZh 1y ago
      Bringing up Al Jazeera as an unbiased source about Israel is weird. Amnesty international emitted report that say "Israel is not commiting genocide according to existing definitions, thus definitions should be changed": > As outlined below, Amnesty International considers this an overly cramped interpretation of international jurisprudence and one that would effectively preclude a finding of genocide in the context of an armed conflict. Somehow people cite it as a proof of genocide. BBC has produced a documentary with narrator being son of Hamas official, and were forced to apologize for that [1]. They sheleved another documentary with impartiality concerns. They have contributors calling to "burn Jews like Hitler" [2]. So yeah, there are unbiased critics of Israel, just none of those you listed [1] https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/statements/gaza-how-to-survive-a-war-zone https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/statements/gaza-how-to-survi... [2] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/26/well-burn-jews-like-hitler-did-says-bbcs-reporter-in-gaza/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/26/well-burn-jews-l...

enjeyw 1y ago

Side note to dang: Please don’t delete this thread. Yes it’s getting pretty heated, but it’s by far the most rational discussion of this topic I’ve seen in a while. Plus I’ve learnt a few things, which tends to be a positive signal for quality

gaoryrt 1y ago

As long as he can deliver a checkmate.

amy214 1y ago

>Israel >The populace has been concentrated >in a camp ummmmmmmmmm