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What if people just paid for services they use and depend on frequently

by _345 1y ago

xnorswap 1y ago
I don't want to use it. I only view because others exclusively host content there. If people hosted video elsewhere, I would gladly never visit youtube again. Creators are not going to start paying for uploads when they can push their costs to the viewers.
- mmmmmbop 1y ago
  Why do you think the creators you like exclusively host content on YouTube?
  - xnorswap 1y ago
    That's not difficult to answer, it's because it's free / they get paid.
    - bitpush 1y ago
      .. and that's YT's problem? This is like being angry with Apple, because an app developer created only an iOS app and didnt create an Android. What did Apple do wrong if a developer chose to only create an iOS app?
      - xnorswap 1y ago
        YouTube is the system, you've not heard of "don't hate the player, hate the game"? If I "blamed" the creators, you'd be telling me it's not their fault, they're just incentivised by the system, they're just playing the game. But when I "blame" the system, you're telling me the system is not at fault, that it's individual choice to choose a near-monopoly on video discoverability that is propelled by and heavily benefiting from the same company's actual monopoly of search. Is it "YT's problem?"? No, it's to YT's massive benefit, it's my problem when I have to suffer through adverts.
        bitpush 1y ago
        > YouTube is the system But isnt YouTube a mere player in the game as well?
        xnorswap 1y ago
        I think viewing YouTube in that manner would be a nihilist point of view. I can't think of an adjective less suitable for Alphabet/Google/YouTube than "mere".
        ndriscoll 1y ago
        Alphabet is the fifth largest company in the world, has earnings higher than most countries' GDP, and is established to have engaged in illegal behavior as a monopolist. It's fair to say they're closer to "the system" than "a player". Not that this was part of the suit, but the whole practice of giving things away for free and subsidizing them with stalking and ads obviously distorts or completely destroys markets, so yes they can be blamed for doing that. The behavior of these companies is so bad that people in a recent thread were claiming things like chat services (where a single computer can provide service for millions of users) cannot be sustainably run by charging money.
crazygringo 1y ago
There's a long tail of people who don't use YouTube frequently but click play on videos embedded on other sites, or on videos linked. So of course they're never going to pay. That's the problem advertising solves -- infrequent users can be monetized. YouTube already has an option to pay to avoid ads, for frequent users. And lots of people subscribe to it.
Teever 1y ago
What if Google didn't horde whatever data it could about me from the analytics systems that it has installed on a myriad of websites without my consent? What if Google wasn't a monopoly who amassed insane amounts of capital to do this? What if Google didn't lobby governments around the world for special treatment?
- bitpush 1y ago
  > What if Google didn't horde whatever data it could about me from the analytics systems that it has installed on a myriad of websites without my consent? Arent you voluntarily using their website? Nobody is forcing you to open your browser, and type y-o-u-t-u-b-e-dot-c-o-m. > What if Google wasn't a monopoly who amassed insane amounts of capital to do this? MKBHD, LTT and others are willingly uploading videos to YouTube. YT doesnt have an exclusive deal with any of those. Infact, those folks are free to upload the same video to Vimeo, Twitch and others. What is YT doing wrong here? > What if Google didn't lobby governments around the world for special treatment? Such as?
  - queenkjuul 1y ago
    Google analytics tracking is embedded in probably millions of non-Google websites, and YouTube videos get embedded in all sorts of pages.
    - bitpush 1y ago
      Arent websites voluntarily embedding Google Analytics? They can decide today, if they wanna switch to Plausible, or any of the other analytics providers right? I still fail to understand how this is a fault of a company? Would you blame Apple if everyone bought iPhones? What should Apple do? Ask people not to buy their phones?
      - ndriscoll 1y ago
        If airtags were used almost solely to nonconsensually and surreptitiously stalk people (i.e. not to track the belongings of the people buying them), yes I think it would be fair to blame Apple. Especially if that were the advertised purpose, as it is with GA.
create-username 1y ago
If people were just paid for services that used them and manipulate them with tracking and behaviour profiles
add-sub-mul-div 1y ago
I've always paid for cable without complaining, but the adtech surveillance reality that was innovated by the tech industry makes me less willing to support them.
lurk2 1y ago
The only reason people use YouTube is because it has had a de facto monopoly on video distribution for the last 15 years.

What if people just paid for services they use and depend on frequently

by _345 1y ago

What if people just paid for services they use and depend on frequently

I don't want to use it. I only view because others exclusively host content there. If people hosted video elsewhere, I would gladly never visit youtube again. Creators are not going to start paying for uploads when they can push their costs to the viewers.

mmmmmbop 1y ago
Why do you think the creators you like exclusively host content on YouTube?
- xnorswap 1y ago
  That's not difficult to answer, it's because it's free / they get paid.
  - bitpush 1y ago
    .. and that's YT's problem? This is like being angry with Apple, because an app developer created only an iOS app and didnt create an Android. What did Apple do wrong if a developer chose to only create an iOS app?
    - xnorswap 1y ago
      YouTube is the system, you've not heard of "don't hate the player, hate the game"? If I "blamed" the creators, you'd be telling me it's not their fault, they're just incentivised by the system, they're just playing the game. But when I "blame" the system, you're telling me the system is not at fault, that it's individual choice to choose a near-monopoly on video discoverability that is propelled by and heavily benefiting from the same company's actual monopoly of search. Is it "YT's problem?"? No, it's to YT's massive benefit, it's my problem when I have to suffer through adverts.
      - bitpush 1y ago
        > YouTube is the system But isnt YouTube a mere player in the game as well?
        xnorswap 1y ago
        I think viewing YouTube in that manner would be a nihilist point of view. I can't think of an adjective less suitable for Alphabet/Google/YouTube than "mere".
        ndriscoll 1y ago
        Alphabet is the fifth largest company in the world, has earnings higher than most countries' GDP, and is established to have engaged in illegal behavior as a monopolist. It's fair to say they're closer to "the system" than "a player". Not that this was part of the suit, but the whole practice of giving things away for free and subsidizing them with stalking and ads obviously distorts or completely destroys markets, so yes they can be blamed for doing that. The behavior of these companies is so bad that people in a recent thread were claiming things like chat services (where a single computer can provide service for millions of users) cannot be sustainably run by charging money.

crazygringo 1y ago

There's a long tail of people who don't use YouTube frequently but click play on videos embedded on other sites, or on videos linked. So of course they're never going to pay. That's the problem advertising solves -- infrequent users can be monetized. YouTube already has an option to pay to avoid ads, for frequent users. And lots of people subscribe to it.

Teever 1y ago

What if Google didn't horde whatever data it could about me from the analytics systems that it has installed on a myriad of websites without my consent? What if Google wasn't a monopoly who amassed insane amounts of capital to do this? What if Google didn't lobby governments around the world for special treatment?

bitpush 1y ago
> What if Google didn't horde whatever data it could about me from the analytics systems that it has installed on a myriad of websites without my consent? Arent you voluntarily using their website? Nobody is forcing you to open your browser, and type y-o-u-t-u-b-e-dot-c-o-m. > What if Google wasn't a monopoly who amassed insane amounts of capital to do this? MKBHD, LTT and others are willingly uploading videos to YouTube. YT doesnt have an exclusive deal with any of those. Infact, those folks are free to upload the same video to Vimeo, Twitch and others. What is YT doing wrong here? > What if Google didn't lobby governments around the world for special treatment? Such as?
- queenkjuul 1y ago
  Google analytics tracking is embedded in probably millions of non-Google websites, and YouTube videos get embedded in all sorts of pages.
  - bitpush 1y ago
    Arent websites voluntarily embedding Google Analytics? They can decide today, if they wanna switch to Plausible, or any of the other analytics providers right? I still fail to understand how this is a fault of a company? Would you blame Apple if everyone bought iPhones? What should Apple do? Ask people not to buy their phones?
    - ndriscoll 1y ago
      If airtags were used almost solely to nonconsensually and surreptitiously stalk people (i.e. not to track the belongings of the people buying them), yes I think it would be fair to blame Apple. Especially if that were the advertised purpose, as it is with GA.

create-username 1y ago

If people were just paid for services that used them and manipulate them with tracking and behaviour profiles

add-sub-mul-div 1y ago

I've always paid for cable without complaining, but the adtech surveillance reality that was innovated by the tech industry makes me less willing to support them.

lurk2 1y ago

The only reason people use YouTube is because it has had a de facto monopoly on video distribution for the last 15 years.