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> We don't. If we did, we'd have it by now. It's been over 25 years of making appeals like this. See also IPv6. ;) Edit: currently at "0 points". People, it w

> We don't. If we did, we'd have it by now. It's been over 25 years of making appeals like this. See also IPv6. ;) Edit: currently at "0 points". People, it was a joke. Chill.

tptacek 1y ago
We very definitely do have IPv6. I'm using IPv6 right now. Last numbers I saw, over 50% of North American hits to Google were IPv6. DNSSEC adoption in North America is below 4%, and that's by counting zones, most of which don't matter --- the number gets much lower if you filter it down to the top 1000 zones.
- throw0101d 1y ago
  > We very definitely do have IPv6. I'm using IPv6 right now. I'm not. Neither is my home wireline PON ISP, even though they have it on their mobile network (but my previous ISP did). Also, every time there's an IPv6 article on HN there are entire sub-threads of people saying it's never going to come along. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44306792 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44306792
  - JdeBP 1y ago
    One can hope that someone will give the ISPs in my country a metaphorical hefty kick up the arse, especially as some of the more niche ones have been happily providing IPv6, and business customers can get IPv6, and of course other countries are happily embracing IPv6. So I wouldn't say never. But the clear evidence is that past promises of it arriving at those major ISPs are very hollow indeed. It's not the same with DNSSEC in the U.K., though. Many WWW hosting services (claim to) support that right now. And if anything, rather than there being years-old ineffective petition sites clamouring for IPv6 to be turned on, it is, even in 2025, the received wisdom to look to turning DNSSEC off in order to fix problems. * https://codepoets.co.uk/2025/its-always-dns-unbound-domain-signing-stuff/ https://codepoets.co.uk/2025/its-always-dns-unbound-domain-s... * https://www.havevirginmediaenabledipv6yet.co.uk https://www.havevirginmediaenabledipv6yet.co.uk One has to roll one's eyes at how many times the-corporation-disables-the-thread-where-customers-repeatedly-ask-for-simple-moderen-stuff-for-10-years is the answer. It was the answer for Google Chrome not getting SRV lookup support. Although that was a mere 5 years.
- JdeBP 1y ago
  Well for some value of "we" and some value of "have". (-:
api 1y ago
If you want the net to support end to end connectivity we need IPv6. Otherwise you'll end up with layers and layers of NAT and it will become borderline impossible. A lot of protocols get unstable behind layers of NAT too, even if they're not trying to do end to end / P2P. It adds all kinds of unpredictable timeouts and other nonsense.
acdha 1y ago
As a joke, it’s not easily distinguishable from trolling and since IPv6 is approaching half of all traffic, more in many areas, the humor value is limited.
- throw0101d 1y ago
  > […] since IPv6 is approaching half of all traffic, more in many areas, the humor value is limited. And yet every article on IPv6 has entire brigades of folks of folks going on about IPv6 is DOA, and "I've been here about it for thirty years, where is it?", and "they should have done IPv4 just with larger addresses, adoption would have been much faster and more compatible". I'm simply pointing out the parallel argument that was made between DNSSEC and IPv6.
  - acdha 1y ago
    Having also been online for thirty years, I’ve seen those jokes soooo many times but only one of them is funny. DNSSEC’s 0.3% usage[1] is within a rounding error of zero but IPv6 is close to half of all internet traffic in many countries. It’s not funny so much as not updating your priors for decades, like joking about how Windows crashes constantly or saying Python is a hobbyist language. 1. https://radar.cloudflare.com/dns https://radar.cloudflare.com/dns
  - toast0 1y ago
    It's a parallel argument, but it's not a good one, because IPv6 is now around ~50% of traffic depending on the service and details, and DNSSEC was introduced earlier and doesn't seem to be going anywhere. IPv6 probably could have been done better and rolled out faster, and whoever works on IPvNEXT should study what went wrong, but eventually it became better than alternative ways of dealing with a lack of IPv4 addresses, and it started getting real deployment.
everfrustrated 1y ago
The only thing DNSSEC has managed to achieve is make the IPv6 rollout look good /s

> We don't. If we did, we'd have it by now. It's been over 25 years of making appeals like this. See also IPv6. ;) Edit: currently at "0 points". People, it was a joke. Chill.

tptacek 1y ago

We very definitely do have IPv6. I'm using IPv6 right now. Last numbers I saw, over 50% of North American hits to Google were IPv6. DNSSEC adoption in North America is below 4%, and that's by counting zones, most of which don't matter --- the number gets much lower if you filter it down to the top 1000 zones.

throw0101d 1y ago
> We very definitely do have IPv6. I'm using IPv6 right now. I'm not. Neither is my home wireline PON ISP, even though they have it on their mobile network (but my previous ISP did). Also, every time there's an IPv6 article on HN there are entire sub-threads of people saying it's never going to come along. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44306792 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44306792
- JdeBP 1y ago
  One can hope that someone will give the ISPs in my country a metaphorical hefty kick up the arse, especially as some of the more niche ones have been happily providing IPv6, and business customers can get IPv6, and of course other countries are happily embracing IPv6. So I wouldn't say never. But the clear evidence is that past promises of it arriving at those major ISPs are very hollow indeed. It's not the same with DNSSEC in the U.K., though. Many WWW hosting services (claim to) support that right now. And if anything, rather than there being years-old ineffective petition sites clamouring for IPv6 to be turned on, it is, even in 2025, the received wisdom to look to turning DNSSEC off in order to fix problems. * https://codepoets.co.uk/2025/its-always-dns-unbound-domain-signing-stuff/ https://codepoets.co.uk/2025/its-always-dns-unbound-domain-s... * https://www.havevirginmediaenabledipv6yet.co.uk https://www.havevirginmediaenabledipv6yet.co.uk One has to roll one's eyes at how many times the-corporation-disables-the-thread-where-customers-repeatedly-ask-for-simple-moderen-stuff-for-10-years is the answer. It was the answer for Google Chrome not getting SRV lookup support. Although that was a mere 5 years.
JdeBP 1y ago
Well for some value of "we" and some value of "have". (-:

api 1y ago

If you want the net to support end to end connectivity we need IPv6. Otherwise you'll end up with layers and layers of NAT and it will become borderline impossible. A lot of protocols get unstable behind layers of NAT too, even if they're not trying to do end to end / P2P. It adds all kinds of unpredictable timeouts and other nonsense.

acdha 1y ago

As a joke, it’s not easily distinguishable from trolling and since IPv6 is approaching half of all traffic, more in many areas, the humor value is limited.

throw0101d 1y ago
> […] since IPv6 is approaching half of all traffic, more in many areas, the humor value is limited. And yet every article on IPv6 has entire brigades of folks of folks going on about IPv6 is DOA, and "I've been here about it for thirty years, where is it?", and "they should have done IPv4 just with larger addresses, adoption would have been much faster and more compatible". I'm simply pointing out the parallel argument that was made between DNSSEC and IPv6.
- acdha 1y ago
  Having also been online for thirty years, I’ve seen those jokes soooo many times but only one of them is funny. DNSSEC’s 0.3% usage[1] is within a rounding error of zero but IPv6 is close to half of all internet traffic in many countries. It’s not funny so much as not updating your priors for decades, like joking about how Windows crashes constantly or saying Python is a hobbyist language. 1. https://radar.cloudflare.com/dns https://radar.cloudflare.com/dns
- toast0 1y ago
  It's a parallel argument, but it's not a good one, because IPv6 is now around ~50% of traffic depending on the service and details, and DNSSEC was introduced earlier and doesn't seem to be going anywhere. IPv6 probably could have been done better and rolled out faster, and whoever works on IPvNEXT should study what went wrong, but eventually it became better than alternative ways of dealing with a lack of IPv4 addresses, and it started getting real deployment.

everfrustrated 1y ago

The only thing DNSSEC has managed to achieve is make the IPv6 rollout look good /s