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it’s really hard not to just buy a MacBook Air at this price level.

by daft_pink 1y ago

2OEH8eoCRo0 1y ago
Linux support
- weird_trousers 1y ago
  Sorry but this is not a real value for certain people.
  - nrp 1y ago
    We saw that there was a gap in the market for laptops that treat Linux as a first-class OS target, and we design our products with that audience in mind. That there are other people in the world who don't need Linux is totally ok.
    - rrix2 1y ago
      thanks nirav :) looking forward to my sage 12 for linux-based couch surfing
    - bobthecowboy 1y ago
      My kid is a bit young, but this is the laptop he'll be getting in a year or so to replace the garbage Chromebook he's currently using (which has steadily gotten flakier since purchase). First class Linux support is requirement #1; Framework's repairability on top of that means there's not even anything else to consider. It will be the third Framework in our house. My wife is happily using the second, having easily switched to Ubuntu from Windows 10(?) when the video cable connection in her Dell XPS flaked out and made the screen useless.
    - AgentElement 1y ago
      First-class Linux support is the reason that half the regulars in my local Linux Users Group have Frameworks. It's probably the most common laptop brand I see in my tech circle, and anecdotally I can say that it has eclipsed thinkpads in my specific community.
  - MangoToupe 1y ago
    I mean certain people still run wordperfect. You're never going to attract everyone.
- throw0101d 1y ago
  Depending on the features you need, you can probably pick up an M1/M2 for a decent price nowadays that could work well enough: * https://asahilinux.org/docs/platform/feature-support/overview/ https://asahilinux.org/docs/platform/feature-support/overvie...
  - e12e 1y ago
    No external display support under Linux.
    - whitehexagon 1y ago
      I have a 4k display plugged into my Asahi M1 (hdmi port).
      - e12e 1y ago
        Your MacBook air m1? Or a mini? > it’s really hard not to just buy a MacBook Air at this price level.
    - MangoToupe 1y ago
      Works fine for me. How else do you think the studios/minis run it?
      - e12e 1y ago
        Huh, when did this happen? I thought external display was still not supported on MacBook air m1s? Ed: according to https://asahilinux.org/docs/platform/feature-support/m1/#soc-blocks https://asahilinux.org/docs/platform/feature-support/m1/#soc... MacBook air still have no external display support?
        MangoToupe 1y ago
        I imagine this is actually a usb-c issue rather than straight-up no display support
- dale_huevo 1y ago
  The market doesn't profitably support running desktop Linux on a laptop outside of a business/development setting, in which case it's the IT department buying the laptop and I don't get to choose. Which means "this Dell or this Thinkpad". Chromebooks don't count because they are just Google data-hoovering appliances not real laptops.
benhurmarcel 1y ago
Unless one wants to run Windows or Linux

it’s really hard not to just buy a MacBook Air at this price level.

2OEH8eoCRo0 1y ago

Linux support

weird_trousers 1y ago
Sorry but this is not a real value for certain people.
- nrp 1y ago
  We saw that there was a gap in the market for laptops that treat Linux as a first-class OS target, and we design our products with that audience in mind. That there are other people in the world who don't need Linux is totally ok.
  - rrix2 1y ago
    thanks nirav :) looking forward to my sage 12 for linux-based couch surfing
  - bobthecowboy 1y ago
    My kid is a bit young, but this is the laptop he'll be getting in a year or so to replace the garbage Chromebook he's currently using (which has steadily gotten flakier since purchase). First class Linux support is requirement #1; Framework's repairability on top of that means there's not even anything else to consider. It will be the third Framework in our house. My wife is happily using the second, having easily switched to Ubuntu from Windows 10(?) when the video cable connection in her Dell XPS flaked out and made the screen useless.
  - AgentElement 1y ago
    First-class Linux support is the reason that half the regulars in my local Linux Users Group have Frameworks. It's probably the most common laptop brand I see in my tech circle, and anecdotally I can say that it has eclipsed thinkpads in my specific community.
- MangoToupe 1y ago
  I mean certain people still run wordperfect. You're never going to attract everyone.
throw0101d 1y ago
Depending on the features you need, you can probably pick up an M1/M2 for a decent price nowadays that could work well enough: * https://asahilinux.org/docs/platform/feature-support/overview/ https://asahilinux.org/docs/platform/feature-support/overvie...
- e12e 1y ago
  No external display support under Linux.
  - whitehexagon 1y ago
    I have a 4k display plugged into my Asahi M1 (hdmi port).
    - e12e 1y ago
      Your MacBook air m1? Or a mini? > it’s really hard not to just buy a MacBook Air at this price level.
  - MangoToupe 1y ago
    Works fine for me. How else do you think the studios/minis run it?
    - e12e 1y ago
      Huh, when did this happen? I thought external display was still not supported on MacBook air m1s? Ed: according to https://asahilinux.org/docs/platform/feature-support/m1/#soc-blocks https://asahilinux.org/docs/platform/feature-support/m1/#soc... MacBook air still have no external display support?
      - MangoToupe 1y ago
        I imagine this is actually a usb-c issue rather than straight-up no display support
dale_huevo 1y ago
The market doesn't profitably support running desktop Linux on a laptop outside of a business/development setting, in which case it's the IT department buying the laptop and I don't get to choose. Which means "this Dell or this Thinkpad". Chromebooks don't count because they are just Google data-hoovering appliances not real laptops.

benhurmarcel 1y ago

Unless one wants to run Windows or Linux