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What's with the title? It says "Journalists ..." (plural) when so far as I can tell it's the story of one journalist. While I'm sure there's at least one other

by gruez 1y ago

What's with the title? It says "Journalists ..." (plural) when so far as I can tell it's the story of one journalist. While I'm sure there's at least one other journalist wary of traveling to the US, that's not the story at hand, and HN guidelines prohibit editorializing of titles.

add-sub-mul-div 1y ago
Every thread getting littered with these hall monitor complaints about titles is worse than clickbait could ever be.
- jakelazaroff 1y ago
  If anything, I think the title severely understates what happened here. It's not journalists "wary" of traveling to the US, it's a journalist literally getting deported for writing about a protest movement.
  - anthony_d 1y ago
    I just started looking but I can’t find any supporting evidence for this story. The part where someone says “we both know why you’re here” just sounded like a cheesy movie line. The journalist mentioned that while being detained he met a woman who was on day 4 of detention… what exactly are the logistics of how they were handling detention? It all just sounded so implausible. It reads like someone trying to spin a story to convince others of what they already wanted to believe, or maybe that kid in grade school who tells stories he read or saw, but swaps himself for the main character. Why should I believe this person more than any random internet crank?
    - refulgentis 1y ago
      I'm sorry to write at length, I just feel so deeply in this moment. I've never seen such a stark denial of reality that has been reported widely recently, that also relies on a sweeping idea that we can't trust anyone ever, i.e. we cannot discern the difference between a random internet crank and a not-crank, and given that, there's no reason to ever explore anything we haven't accepted ourselves. I don't think I'll be able to bridge the gap by lecturing or pointing things out or huffing about journalism. But I have no choice but to try something, because I care for you and for us. I guess what I'd say is, to keep from lecturing, it's very normal to be in detention for multiple days once you've tripped the first wire. There's been many stories like this shared, you can see some of the effects [here](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=05c894fd792d1e12&rlz=1C5OZZY_enUS1162US1162&sxsrf=AE3TifNW7rjpAFcZ9BdVEqq_F8QegYQKqg:1750008856791&q=cbp+detention&tbm=nws&source=lnms&fbs=AIIjpHxU7SXXniUZfeShr2fp4giZrjP_Cx0LI1Ytb_FGcOviEiTm5uW1q0uNfK7KsnoL8hUty_Nww_xBrtNM8kFbkB3gIgrdYz8cnbX0sxjF4-bC3LzWcf4zFglHS2eRudPV9rCYm34Azq6wuBYmavvGmff9qGZD7D29a2VPaozjHyKTe4fA7zUCo6E7f2fJxAdVcqZdmcEqZUgEuZ9SF4z6Ie_BQivjuw&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=2ahUKEwiHtIqC-_ONAxVojIkEHakZJAMQ0pQJegQIExAB&biw=1404&bih=943&dpr=2 https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=05c894fd792d1e12&rlz=1...), no tricks, no bias, just a search for "cbp detention" in Google news. Some headlines: ‘Like a jail cell’: Family of six detained at Washington state border facility for more than three weeks, German tourist held indefinitely in San Diego-area immigrant detention facility, Green card holder from New Hampshire 'interrogated' at Logan Airport, detained, ‘Felt like a kidnapping’: Wrong turn leads to 5-day detention ordeal
- gruez 1y ago
  "Every" thread? I can't say that matches with my experience, or is even remotely close. Most posts I see are properly titled and as a result don't have anyone complaining about it. Can you link to some recent examples? Or is a little stretching of the truth justified in comments as well?
typesarecool 1y ago
I am not actually sure they are a journalist, but more a blogger? Happy to be proven wrong
- kreetx 1y ago
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  - jakelazaroff 1y ago
    "Blogger" and "activist" both being euphemisms for "journalist who says things I don't like".
    - kreetx 1y ago
      I think with blogger the GP meant that he is not a professional journalist; an activist is somebody who is politically engaged, as clearly this person is. Does it appear to you that he is an actual journalist?
      - jakelazaroff 1y ago
        He makes money from journalism, does he not? Journalists are by definition politically engaged, so defining "activist" as a separate category like that makes no sense.
        kreetx 1y ago
        I've no idea how he makes his money, and no, journalists are not "by definition" politically engaged. Secondly, df you read his blog, he pretty clearly is an activist, as he focuses on a single topic, has chosen a side, and also is acting upon it by protesting.
        jakelazaroff 1y ago
        > no, journalists are not "by definition" politically engaged. Which part of journalism doesn't involve "political engagement"? Selecting which stories are covered, and how prominently? Choosing whom to interview and deciding what questions to ask? Which details are important enough to include, and which to omit? There is no cogent definition of "journalism" by which it is not an intrinsically political activity. > Secondly, df you read his blog, he pretty clearly is an activist, as he focuses on a single topic, has chosen a side That is common among journalists; it is called a "beat". > and also is acting upon it by protesting. Hundreds of millions of people all over the world protest. 2–4 million did so in the U.S. alone yesterday. Are they all "activists"?
Kapura 1y ago
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by gruez 1y ago

add-sub-mul-div 1y ago

Every thread getting littered with these hall monitor complaints about titles is worse than clickbait could ever be.

jakelazaroff 1y ago
If anything, I think the title severely understates what happened here. It's not journalists "wary" of traveling to the US, it's a journalist literally getting deported for writing about a protest movement.
- anthony_d 1y ago
  I just started looking but I can’t find any supporting evidence for this story. The part where someone says “we both know why you’re here” just sounded like a cheesy movie line. The journalist mentioned that while being detained he met a woman who was on day 4 of detention… what exactly are the logistics of how they were handling detention? It all just sounded so implausible. It reads like someone trying to spin a story to convince others of what they already wanted to believe, or maybe that kid in grade school who tells stories he read or saw, but swaps himself for the main character. Why should I believe this person more than any random internet crank?
  - refulgentis 1y ago
    I'm sorry to write at length, I just feel so deeply in this moment. I've never seen such a stark denial of reality that has been reported widely recently, that also relies on a sweeping idea that we can't trust anyone ever, i.e. we cannot discern the difference between a random internet crank and a not-crank, and given that, there's no reason to ever explore anything we haven't accepted ourselves. I don't think I'll be able to bridge the gap by lecturing or pointing things out or huffing about journalism. But I have no choice but to try something, because I care for you and for us. I guess what I'd say is, to keep from lecturing, it's very normal to be in detention for multiple days once you've tripped the first wire. There's been many stories like this shared, you can see some of the effects [here](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=05c894fd792d1e12&rlz=1C5OZZY_enUS1162US1162&sxsrf=AE3TifNW7rjpAFcZ9BdVEqq_F8QegYQKqg:1750008856791&q=cbp+detention&tbm=nws&source=lnms&fbs=AIIjpHxU7SXXniUZfeShr2fp4giZrjP_Cx0LI1Ytb_FGcOviEiTm5uW1q0uNfK7KsnoL8hUty_Nww_xBrtNM8kFbkB3gIgrdYz8cnbX0sxjF4-bC3LzWcf4zFglHS2eRudPV9rCYm34Azq6wuBYmavvGmff9qGZD7D29a2VPaozjHyKTe4fA7zUCo6E7f2fJxAdVcqZdmcEqZUgEuZ9SF4z6Ie_BQivjuw&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=2ahUKEwiHtIqC-_ONAxVojIkEHakZJAMQ0pQJegQIExAB&biw=1404&bih=943&dpr=2 https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=05c894fd792d1e12&rlz=1...), no tricks, no bias, just a search for "cbp detention" in Google news. Some headlines: ‘Like a jail cell’: Family of six detained at Washington state border facility for more than three weeks, German tourist held indefinitely in San Diego-area immigrant detention facility, Green card holder from New Hampshire 'interrogated' at Logan Airport, detained, ‘Felt like a kidnapping’: Wrong turn leads to 5-day detention ordeal
gruez 1y ago
"Every" thread? I can't say that matches with my experience, or is even remotely close. Most posts I see are properly titled and as a result don't have anyone complaining about it. Can you link to some recent examples? Or is a little stretching of the truth justified in comments as well?

typesarecool 1y ago

I am not actually sure they are a journalist, but more a blogger? Happy to be proven wrong

kreetx 1y ago
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- jakelazaroff 1y ago
  "Blogger" and "activist" both being euphemisms for "journalist who says things I don't like".
  - kreetx 1y ago
    I think with blogger the GP meant that he is not a professional journalist; an activist is somebody who is politically engaged, as clearly this person is. Does it appear to you that he is an actual journalist?
    - jakelazaroff 1y ago
      He makes money from journalism, does he not? Journalists are by definition politically engaged, so defining "activist" as a separate category like that makes no sense.
      - kreetx 1y ago
        I've no idea how he makes his money, and no, journalists are not "by definition" politically engaged. Secondly, df you read his blog, he pretty clearly is an activist, as he focuses on a single topic, has chosen a side, and also is acting upon it by protesting.
        jakelazaroff 1y ago
        > no, journalists are not "by definition" politically engaged. Which part of journalism doesn't involve "political engagement"? Selecting which stories are covered, and how prominently? Choosing whom to interview and deciding what questions to ask? Which details are important enough to include, and which to omit? There is no cogent definition of "journalism" by which it is not an intrinsically political activity. > Secondly, df you read his blog, he pretty clearly is an activist, as he focuses on a single topic, has chosen a side That is common among journalists; it is called a "beat". > and also is acting upon it by protesting. Hundreds of millions of people all over the world protest. 2–4 million did so in the U.S. alone yesterday. Are they all "activists"?

Kapura 1y ago

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