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There's also the issue of tipping. I haven't been in a waymo but I generally tip well in Uber or Lyft. I wouldn't tip a robot. So at least to me $15+$5 tip vs $

There's also the issue of tipping. I haven't been in a waymo but I generally tip well in Uber or Lyft. I wouldn't tip a robot. So at least to me $15+$5 tip vs $20 is pretty much a wash.

loloquwowndueo 1y ago
Holy crap that’s 33% tip!
- ghushn3 1y ago
  It's also a small, $5 tip. When you get small numbers, like $5, it tends to blow out the percentages.
chipsrafferty 1y ago
You don't have to tip an Uber or Lyft, either.
- fluidcruft 1y ago
  Sure, nobody has to tip anyone. But I do tip taxis and etc, typically about 30%, and it factors into my overall price perception. I'm just saying $15 that I will add a tip to vs $20 that I have no intention or inclination to tip isn't anything more than I don't have any expectations or empathy about tipping a machine. It doesn't seem particularly complex an issue about why Waymo can charge the same amount that I am willing to pay anyway.
- StableAlkyne 1y ago
  [Caveat: there aren't many Lyft drivers in my town, so I have only used Uber] The problem is their system extorts you into tipping. If you don't tip, the driver will give you a 1/5 rating. If your rating averages low enough, nobody will pick you up. It's more of a bribe you pay for a good passenger rating than an actual tip. As a result, you're forced to tip if you want to use it long term. Personally, I'm hoping Waymo takes Uber's lunch money. I will gladly pay more for a service has not been infected with tipping.
  - Macha 1y ago
    Don't the drivers only see the tips in aggregate form at the end of the week?
    - FireBeyond 1y ago
      Unsure. But they at least know you've tipped. "Steve thanked you for your tip."
      - addaon 1y ago
        > Unsure. But they at least know you've tipped. "Steve thanked you for your tip." Wait, is that actually based on driver action? I assumed it was just another notification to drive "engagement" when someone accidentally taps it, same as the daily "special deals" for Eats and stuff.
  - biztos 1y ago
    I don’t know if that’s really how it works with Uber, but surely Waymo could charge extra for “priority pickup” if it got popular enough.
    - StableAlkyne 1y ago
      Unless the app changed in the past year, they can see individual tips and can change their passenger ratings for those who don't pay the "optional" tip. Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/uber/comments/18x5rxj/do_drivers_see_which_rider_tips_them/ https://www.reddit.com/r/uber/comments/18x5rxj/do_drivers_se...
    - Dylan16807 1y ago
      If it's actually for priority that's okay. It will only have a significant effect when they're hitting their capacity limits, and it ends up being similar to surge pricing. If they start refusing to pick up people that don't pay, while having idle cars, I expect them to get in trouble in various ways.
  - oefrha 1y ago
drcode 1y ago
I was kinda pissed when my local mall got a "barista robot", and it asks for a 20% tip when you swipe your card
- fosk 1y ago
  Tipping has lost its meaning and it is simply a money grab these days in many establishments, as your experience demonstrates. Like tipping for food to go. I only tip when I sit down and good service is actually provided.

There's also the issue of tipping. I haven't been in a waymo but I generally tip well in Uber or Lyft. I wouldn't tip a robot. So at least to me $15+$5 tip vs $20 is pretty much a wash.

loloquwowndueo 1y ago

Holy crap that’s 33% tip!

ghushn3 1y ago
It's also a small, $5 tip. When you get small numbers, like $5, it tends to blow out the percentages.

chipsrafferty 1y ago

You don't have to tip an Uber or Lyft, either.

fluidcruft 1y ago
Sure, nobody has to tip anyone. But I do tip taxis and etc, typically about 30%, and it factors into my overall price perception. I'm just saying $15 that I will add a tip to vs $20 that I have no intention or inclination to tip isn't anything more than I don't have any expectations or empathy about tipping a machine. It doesn't seem particularly complex an issue about why Waymo can charge the same amount that I am willing to pay anyway.
StableAlkyne 1y ago
[Caveat: there aren't many Lyft drivers in my town, so I have only used Uber] The problem is their system extorts you into tipping. If you don't tip, the driver will give you a 1/5 rating. If your rating averages low enough, nobody will pick you up. It's more of a bribe you pay for a good passenger rating than an actual tip. As a result, you're forced to tip if you want to use it long term. Personally, I'm hoping Waymo takes Uber's lunch money. I will gladly pay more for a service has not been infected with tipping.
- Macha 1y ago
  Don't the drivers only see the tips in aggregate form at the end of the week?
  - FireBeyond 1y ago
    Unsure. But they at least know you've tipped. "Steve thanked you for your tip."
    - addaon 1y ago
      > Unsure. But they at least know you've tipped. "Steve thanked you for your tip." Wait, is that actually based on driver action? I assumed it was just another notification to drive "engagement" when someone accidentally taps it, same as the daily "special deals" for Eats and stuff.
- biztos 1y ago
  I don’t know if that’s really how it works with Uber, but surely Waymo could charge extra for “priority pickup” if it got popular enough.
  - StableAlkyne 1y ago
    Unless the app changed in the past year, they can see individual tips and can change their passenger ratings for those who don't pay the "optional" tip. Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/uber/comments/18x5rxj/do_drivers_see_which_rider_tips_them/ https://www.reddit.com/r/uber/comments/18x5rxj/do_drivers_se...
  - Dylan16807 1y ago
    If it's actually for priority that's okay. It will only have a significant effect when they're hitting their capacity limits, and it ends up being similar to surge pricing. If they start refusing to pick up people that don't pay, while having idle cars, I expect them to get in trouble in various ways.
- oefrha 1y ago

drcode 1y ago

I was kinda pissed when my local mall got a "barista robot", and it asks for a 20% tip when you swipe your card

fosk 1y ago
Tipping has lost its meaning and it is simply a money grab these days in many establishments, as your experience demonstrates. Like tipping for food to go. I only tip when I sit down and good service is actually provided.