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> Though Ive did get rid of skeuomorphism. By replacing skeuomorphism with minimalism, Ive's anti-skeu was a cure nearly as worse as the disease. They were rig

> Though Ive did get rid of skeuomorphism. By replacing skeuomorphism with minimalism, Ive's anti-skeu was a cure nearly as worse as the disease. They were right to move away from skeuomorphism, but they did so recklessly, giving us a UX where almost all cues for an element being "clickable" were stripped away. Ive hasn't done a single impressive thing after Jobs' departure. To the extent that Ive did anything noteworthy, it was with Jobs as visionary, product director and tastemaker. Outside of that relationship, his work has been derivative of prior Apple design success, or embarrassingly wrong-footed. Factoring in the lag time of product cycles, it's astonishing how rapidly Apple improved after Ive's departure.

abcd_f 1y ago
I've been in agreement with you up until this point - > it's astonishing how rapidly Apple improved after Ive's departure Is there another Apple? What improvements are you talking about, leave alone astonishing ones?
- matwood 1y ago
  The MBP went from few ports and thinner at all costs, back towards functionality.
- mixmastamyk 1y ago
  Keyboard and touch bar reverted. Not exactly improvements in the traditional sense. More likely cleaning up an intentional mess.
JKCalhoun 1y ago
I guess I agree. Perhaps people can argue with me: I claim skeuomorphism jumped the shark with the pseudo reel-to-reel playback UI in ... was it the Podcasts app? Or maybe people think it was Notes with the torn edge along the top margin. Regardless, skeuomorphism seems to have gone too far at some point. Perhaps became overly cute, overly precious, pretty-pretty. Skeuomorphism was said to have been the thing in early GUI computers, as metaphor or real objects, that helped early users to those interfaces understand them. Dragging a file icon that looked like a dog-eared piece of paper to a trash can icon on the screen (to delete the file) — the most obvious example. I suspect by the time the Web came around, users had to become more comfortable with being bombarded with all manner of wild UI paradigms and they learned to more or less cope. Skeuomorphism, like training wheels, were perhaps not really needed as much as they had been a decade earlier.

abcd_f 1y ago

I've been in agreement with you up until this point - > it's astonishing how rapidly Apple improved after Ive's departure Is there another Apple? What improvements are you talking about, leave alone astonishing ones?

matwood 1y ago
The MBP went from few ports and thinner at all costs, back towards functionality.
mixmastamyk 1y ago
Keyboard and touch bar reverted. Not exactly improvements in the traditional sense. More likely cleaning up an intentional mess.

JKCalhoun 1y ago

I guess I agree. Perhaps people can argue with me: I claim skeuomorphism jumped the shark with the pseudo reel-to-reel playback UI in ... was it the Podcasts app? Or maybe people think it was Notes with the torn edge along the top margin. Regardless, skeuomorphism seems to have gone too far at some point. Perhaps became overly cute, overly precious, pretty-pretty. Skeuomorphism was said to have been the thing in early GUI computers, as metaphor or real objects, that helped early users to those interfaces understand them. Dragging a file icon that looked like a dog-eared piece of paper to a trash can icon on the screen (to delete the file) — the most obvious example. I suspect by the time the Web came around, users had to become more comfortable with being bombarded with all manner of wild UI paradigms and they learned to more or less cope. Skeuomorphism, like training wheels, were perhaps not really needed as much as they had been a decade earlier.