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Israel launches strikes against Iran, Defense Minister says
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- almogo 1y agoWe just got strange alerts on our phones here in Israel (3:00am local time), reading: """ Emergency alert: Extreme Home Front Command instructions must be followed. Due to the preparation for a significant threat, the Home Front Command's instructions, which are currently being distributed throughout the media, must be immediately followed. """
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- thunky 1y ago> Citizens have the option to do Sherut Leumi instead of IDF I'm not sure if that's true. I looked it up and it seems that males need a Ptor (exemption) from the Army. But they may be likely to choose IDF anyway due to the culture, so your point probably stills stands.
- ty6853 1y ago>Ptor (exemption) from the Army. Since 2002 Israeli court ruled individual conscientious objection is an exemption. There are lots of news stories of it being denied, but that is because collective action is considered protest and thus illegal.
- thunky 1y agoInteresting, thanks. From wikipedia: The Israeli High Court of Justice ruled in 2002 that refusal to serve was legal on the grounds of unqualified pacifism, but "selective refusal" which accepted some duties and not others was illegal. It also looks like it's not entirely simple to get the exemption, and if you don't do it correctly you could be jailed: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/12/27/who-are-the-israeli-refuseniks-picking-jail-over-the-gaza-war https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/12/27/who-are-the-israel...
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- treetalker 1y agoPreemptive strikes are a boon for his suddenly ailing health.
- myth_drannon 1y agowhich polls? there are no elections in the near future.
- intunderflow 1y agoYesterday he barely won a vote to dissolve the government in the Knesset which politically hurt him
- tguvot 1y agohe won it with 9 votes which is a large margin and it actually made him stronger, because next time such a vote can be held is 6 months from now
- bigyabai 1y agoThe diplomatic attempts on the US' behalf have been absolutely bewildering towards Iran. At first they refuse to negotiate, so the US lets them draw their own lines besides nuclear weapons. So Iran draws non-WMD "red line" clauses, and America ignores those immediately. Weeks of negotiating later, no signs of good-faith discussion from the US lead to the hammer coming down because there was "no other way" to solve it. If it wasn't so goddamn confusing, it would almost appear deliberate. Between this and the US suing Yemen for peace, it's looking like a good decade to strongarm America's soft power.
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- someotherperson 1y agoIt gets worse -- the person leading the negotiations with the US was one of the targets: > Ali Shamkhani has been severely injured in a strike targeting his house and hospitalized. Mr. Shamkhani is currently spearheading nuclear talks committee appointed by supreme leader and is former secretary of National Security Council https://x.com/farnazfassihi/status/1933360333118111907 https://x.com/farnazfassihi/status/1933360333118111907
- IAmGraydon 1y ago>So Iran draws non-WMD "red line" clauses, and America ignores those immediately. How so? What non-WMD red line clauses do you mean?
- ivape 1y agoIt’s because American foreign policy is not dictating the future of this, it’s Israel’s project and they are directing things. America has never had any success negotiating anything in the Middle East. We take what’s given to us.
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- cherry_tree 1y agohttps://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/war/just/preemptive.shtml#:~:text=A%20pre%2Demptive%20strike%20is,from%20carrying%20out%20its%20threat. https://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/war/just/preemptive.shtml#:~:te... > One ethical expert (Michael Walzer) has put forward some conditions that he thinks must be satisfied to justify a pre-emptive strike: >an obvious intention to do injury >active preparations that turn that intention into a positive danger >a situation in which the risk of defeat will be greatly increased if the fight is delayed Is there evidence of these three important points to justify this attack as “preemptive”?
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- rasz 1y agoYou can only pretend Houthis are making ballistic missiles in their caves and arent directly supplied and fed targeting data by Iran to sink ships crossing red sea for so long.
- tguvot 1y agoyou forget that in mass media not reported that every (other) day for past couple of months there are ballistic missiles launched towards Israel
- cherry_tree 1y agoAre you referring to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Iran%E2%80%93Israel_conflict https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Iran%E2%80%93Israel_con... ? Or can you provide more information about Iran attacking Israel everyday in 2025? (Not to say that a few months means this conflict has ended, genuinely curious what the media I’ve seen has under/mis/not-reported)
- tguvot 1y agoHouthis attack Israel with ballistic missiles which are supplied to them by Iran for this purpose. In past couple of months it happens almost every (other) day. Sometime a couple times a day. The only time it was on news when Israel failed to intercept missile and it fell in vicinity of Ben Gurion airport.
- mupuff1234 1y agoWish it didn't come to this, but at this point I can only hope the strikes are successful - nothing good can come out of another fanatic regime with nukes.
- TimorousBestie 1y agoNothing good has come out of Israel’s nuclear program, either. But the era of nuclear disarmament is long over.
- mupuff1234 1y agoRegardless, the world is gonna be a better place with a non nuclear Iran.
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- clipsy 1y ago> the world is gonna be a better place with a non nuclear Iran Some of it will, some of it won't.
- VagabundoP 1y agoUS/Israel hegemony is causing massive instability and chaos. Its driving countries to pursue nuclear weapons as its the only way to ensure you're not at the whims of authoritarian and fundamentalist regimes. I can see an fundamentalist US president at some point and Israel is certainly not become any more secular or moderate, and their democracy is sliding down the toilet bowl.
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- kazinator 1y agoIt's as if the purpose of these preemptive strikes is to create a pretext for the real goal: the declaration of a state of emergency.
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- platevoltage 1y agoJust like the Gazan people?
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- pvg 1y agoIt's been in the news for several days.
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- tomhow 1y agoIt's one person and it's unanimously downvoted.
- edanm 1y agoA possibility of an imminent strike on Iran was discussed in the Israeli press for the last few days. There have been several signs that it might happen, including the US removing people from its embassies in the region, etc.
- dzhiurgis 1y agoAmazing how did this evade my news feed...
- aaron695 1y agoThe targets the US predicted are TOP SECRET//SCI//NOFORN//SOCCENT-32 POTENTIAL TARGET SITES (TS//TKI/RSEN//REL TO USA, FVEY) Facility Name Type Latitude Longitude Uranium Conversion Facility (UCF) Nuclear Facility 32,580744 51,827081 Natanz Nuclear Complex Facility Nuclear Facility 33,724229 51,726114 Parchin Ammunition Plant Nuclear Facility 35,527676 51,765176 Khorramshahr Military Base Military Base 30,4580556 48,1889111 IR-40 Nuclear Facility Nuclear Facility 34,37331 49,240749 Tehran Research Reactor (TRR) Nuclear Facility 35,738431 51,388253 TOP SECRET//SCI//NOFORN//SOCCENT-J2 Lets see how good they were [edit] Direct links - UCF - https://geohack.toolforge.org/geohack.php?params=32_34_50_N_51_49_37_E https://geohack.toolforge.org/geohack.php?params=32_34_50_N_... Natanz - https://geohack.toolforge.org/geohack.php?params=33_43_27_N_51_43_34_E https://geohack.toolforge.org/geohack.php?params=33_43_27_N_... Parchin - https://geohack.toolforge.org/geohack.php?params=35_31_39_N_51_45_54_E https://geohack.toolforge.org/geohack.php?params=35_31_39_N_... Khorramshahr - https://geohack.toolforge.org/geohack.php?params=30_27_29_N_48_11_20_E https://geohack.toolforge.org/geohack.php?params=30_27_29_N_... IR-40 - https://geohack.toolforge.org/geohack.php?params=34_22_23_N_49_14_26_E https://geohack.toolforge.org/geohack.php?params=34_22_23_N_... TRR - https://geohack.toolforge.org/geohack.php?params=35_44_18_N_51_23_17_E https://geohack.toolforge.org/geohack.php?params=35_44_18_N_... [edit 2] More relevant to HN. the Dolphin-class submarines are launching missiles as predicted, the US also thought they would be part of the 'cyber-war', which they define as "electronic jamming to distort and disable radar signals, rendering air-defense systems ineffective." Intel people are such tools, jamming and spoofing is 'cyber-war' and a 'cyber strike'.... I guess they are more right, it's not like you are hacking during a war, that was months ago which is intel. But it's language used for funding purposes. [edit 3] I will say the "agents will carry out sabotage operations inside Iran" Who'd be nuts enough to do that? The US would have to have that wrong
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- skissane 1y agoWhere are you getting this stuff from: > TOP SECRET//SCI//NOFORN//SOCCENT-32 POTENTIAL TARGET SITES (TS//TKI/RSEN//REL TO USA, FVEY) A leak? Which one? Unless one knows the provenance, there is the risk it is fabricated
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- khaledh 1y agoTesting your theory: Israel is a pariah state.
- Belopolye 1y agoSearching for “Israel” and “downvotes” and “flagged” in the HN search shows a steady stream of people complaining for years about an apparent coordinated campaign to silence criticism on this website. It’s frankly a ridiculous stain on a website that otherwise has a lot of interesting discussions.
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- pvg 1y agoSearching that for almost anything will give you the same results - someone is invariably unhappy at the perceived treatment of one topic or another. There have been a bunch of massive threads on the Israel/Gaza conflict over the last year and a half and the bulk of the comments in those have been critical of Israel. Generic trope and meta comments get regularly flagged because they are generic tropes or meta comments, not because they have something to do with Israel.
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- Aloisius 1y agoI really can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.
- Aloisius 1y agoI hope the US manages to stays out of this one. Hopefully Iran does a little retaliation and then goes back to their covert proxy war rather than it escalating to open warfare. I honestly don't even know if either Iran or Israel could sustain open warfare given the distances involved without dragging in other forces to help. I would rather those forces not be ours.
- ivape 1y agoStay out of what? The Trump admin’s foreign policy is to allow Netanyahu to operate autonomously. The same they offer ICE. In terms of American foreign policy interest it’s basically making us more vulnerable. In so many words, Netanyahu might get us all killed. Trump will not decry anything Netanyahu does, so it’s 4 years of war and you better believe it. Putin also has no incentive to give Trump a peace deal. Provide enough war zone cover and Taiwan will just happen, all of a sudden. Negotiate all three peace deals, please, I’d love to see it. Trump is out of his element here, he’ll be leaving a world at war. When you a let a pot of boiling water keep boiling on the lowest heat, you may not see all the boiling bubbles, but I assure you it’s boiling. It’s a boiling world, and without certain advents like AI, we’d literally have no positive news (think that through for a second). Without the miracle of AI, all we’d have is the most depressing world situation you could imagine.
- tuyguntn 1y ago> The Trump admin’s foreign policy is to allow Netanyahu to operate autonomously. The same they offer ICE. to be honest, by now, it feels like the opposite, Netanyahu is allowing Trump admin to operate autonomously when it comes to internal affairs, for foreign policy Netanyahu is dictating the US foreign policy. Go check Twitter, for some reason 90% of congress members immediately started praying for Israel after Israel's attack, as if they were handed over the message
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- locallost 1y agoNetanyahu's only way to preserve power is to start a mass conflict.
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- ivape 1y agoWhat happened to all those protests we were seeing against him? He’s an actual war criminal now but the protests stopped. What can we infer here?
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- tdeck 1y agoIt's common in settler colonial societies, particularly during the period when they are still clearing land of indigenous people for settlement by the dominant group.
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- tguvot 1y agohe is not war criminal. he is been accused of some crimes but it's unknown on what basis as indictment is confidential. and protests are happening on daily basis
- mkfs 1y agoHopefully they took out some of the infrastructure Iran uses to support Russia's drone warfare against Ukraine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HESA_Shahed_136 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HESA_Shahed_136
- tguvot 1y agorussia localized production long time ago and made some upgrades to drones. ukraine did bomb this week factory that makes jam resistant antenna arrays and another one that makes assembly of drones
- consumer451 1y agoAs I understand it, it's not fully localized and a significant portion of the 2000 to 3000/month Shahed production still comes from Iran.
- tguvot 1y agoukraine intelligence estimates (saw it somewhere this week) that russia manufactures 170 shaheds per day. it's 5100 per month
- consumer451 1y ago> 5100 per month I really hope that's not the real number, but it might be. Ukraine signing the Budapest Memorandum, and the co-signers' limpness when the agreement was crossed in 2014, seems like it will go down as the biggest nuke proliferation event in history.
- tguvot 1y agohttps://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/06/4/7515633/ https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/06/4/7515633/
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