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Better hope your stalker isn't friends with a law enforcement officer either: https://deflock.me/ https://deflock.me/
by goda90 1y ago
Better hope your stalker isn't friends with a law enforcement officer either: https://deflock.me/ https://deflock.me/
- ge96 1y agothat's not related to flock safety (company) is it?
- sodality2 1y agoYep. Their brand of ALPR cameras have spread like a plague very quickly all over the US
- ge96 1y agoInteresting I had actually considered getting a job there at one point ha... it's like Anduril you know, seems like a cool company but the purpose... Also doubt I'm qualified but yeah.
- ty6853 1y agoI noticed that in Abrego Garcia's recent indictment they were able to figure out he was in 2022 based on ALPR pulls that showed he was actually putzing around Texas. My understanding was most ALPRs were being stored for no more than 30 days but apparently that isn't the case, since it appears they did not start to build the trafficking case until this year.
- stackskipton 1y agoGovernment run ones had limited time due to civil liberties concerns. However, since it’s a private company…
- Spooky23 1y agoThere's networks of these things, so you can't trust what is said. The host agency may keep for 30 days, but exchange data with third parties, through organizations like NLETS, private collaborations and informal exchange. I'd assume with NLETS searches that the Feds have an overwatch capability and spy on the spies so to speak. This stuff started with "drug corridors". Police and Feds can and do track vehicles on the I-95 corridor from Maine (and Plattsburgh to NYC) down to Miami as early as 12 years ago. NYT covered it a few years back -- basically they get multiple LPR hits and are usually able to do facial recognition on front seat passengers. If you driving Florida->NYC and stop for a cheesesteak in Philly, you may get some attention up the road. There's also a growing network of commercial LPR services. Most tow trucks, many parking garages and some delivery vehicles scan and correlate license plates -- repo guys can find wanted cars in hours these days. Also, most traffic cams are saving 24x7 video with LPR.
- potato3732842 1y agoEvery semi truck these days can be factory equipped with cameras which are all stored in the cloud and analyzed as the service provider sees fit. And if they're not factory equipped they probably have a 3rd party solution in the cab and the same thing is being done.
- EGreg 1y agoWhy don’t they just use facial and gait and heartbeat recognition everywhere? London and other cities already have CCTV cameras, and an AI can quickly figure out wherr you are. In China it has been deployed at scale!
- Spooky23 1y agoIt probably has, but I have not seen public sources that have reported it. I’m sure as part of one of our many states of emergency in the United States deployments will be accelerated. NYPD has an extensive camera network in Manhattan that probably does this.
- potato3732842 1y agoIn some of the Fani Willis court proceedings they dredged up ~10yo cell phone location data like it was nothing about people who weren't relevant enough to warrant special attention 10yr ago.
- Jalad 1y agoIs that accurate? The Willis proceedings were about events around 2021, so that's only 4 years at best
- potato3732842 1y agoThey introduced stuff from a really long time ago as evidince of people knowing each other or dealing with each other. Like "you were at X's house then so clearly you knew them" type thing. I don't recall exactly what the context was because the big takeaway was the retention of records.
- K0balt 1y agoIn a security interview I was questioned about an interaction on a public payphone 15 years prior, back in 2006 (transcript from 1991). They apparently had transcribed logs of all conversations (on that phone? All public pay phones?) that were part of a searchable database. My involvement at the time in a (tiny, unknown , knowable only in retrospect later from the time of the transcript ) political student organization was apparently enough to get flagged. Back in 2006 that was an eye opener for me.
- toomuchtodo 1y agohttps://www.404media.co/a-texas-cop-searched-license-plate-cameras-nationwide-for-a-woman-who-got-an-abortion/ https://www.404media.co/a-texas-cop-searched-license-plate-c... https://docs.flocksafety.com/developer-hub/docs/introduction https://docs.flocksafety.com/developer-hub/docs/introduction https://www.flocksafety.com/devices/flock-nova https://www.flocksafety.com/devices/flock-nova
- Lammy 1y agoThe images and video clips are stored for 30 days. The metadata (OCRed plate, and timestamp) are stored forever. Sorry I mean “may be stored indefinitely”. Source: the privacy policy of the shopping mall near me, who installed these things even before the city did.
- arwhatever 1y agoUPDATE plate_scan SET soft_deleted = 1 WHERE now() - scan_date > 30
- closewith 1y agoPrivate ANPR in public spaces is unlawful in the entire EU. The US needs to get a GDPR equivalent to protect basic human rights from corporate surveillance.
- manarth 1y agoFor a given definition of "public". Driving into a supermarket carpark? Most will have time-limits controlled by private ANPR cameras.
- closewith 1y agoTrue, but they can't track vehicles on public roads, and they cannot store or persist the number plates for any other reason then access control.
- zikduruqe 1y agoAnd Lowe's (hardware store) has signed an agreement with them to put them on their properties. Vote with your wallets. "Retail giant Lowe’s is another customer, according to two former Flock employees and confirmed by the company. Scott Draher, vice president of asset protection at Lowe’s, said in a statement that Flock cameras are “just one example of a multifaceted approach” to combat shoplifting. He declined to comment on how many of its stores have Flock cameras or if it provides camera feeds to law enforcement." https://ourcommunitynow.com/P/americas-biggest-mall-owner-is-sharing-ai-surveillance-feeds-directly-with-cops https://ourcommunitynow.com/P/americas-biggest-mall-owner-is...
- defsectec 1y agoThe map of ALPR nodes show that some are installed by "Flock Safety" when you click on a single one and view the details. So I would assume those two things are directly connected. Just speculation though. Don't have time to verify currently.
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- 77pt77 1y agoDo you know if they also monitor bluetooth devices? Like all cars have one and if should be detectable. Also, most recent cars have DCM which are always sending data, including position to the car maker.
- toomuchtodo 1y agoThey have Bluetooth hardware but doesn't appear they monitor with it based on available information. https://www.ryanohoro.com/post/spotting-flock-safety-s-falcon-cameras https://www.ryanohoro.com/post/spotting-flock-safety-s-falco... https://www.cehrp.org/dissection-of-flock-safety-camera/ https://www.cehrp.org/dissection-of-flock-safety-camera/
- reactordev 1y agoBluetooth doesn’t have the signal strength beyond 20ft. Even then it requires a handshake pairing to send data as every device shares spectrum.
- sodality2 1y agoBLE transmissions go much further last time I experimented with them [0]. However the problem of anonymity comes into play since they frequently generate new MAC addresses. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38252566 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38252566
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- EGreg 1y agoThey also used to monitor MAC addresses from various wifi access points, the MAC addresses of your computer don’t change. But now I think the vendors started fixing that.
- chneu 1y agoTo be clear, you absolutely can randomize your Mac on most devices nowadays.
- extraduder_ire 1y agoI think per-AP randomisation of wifi mac has been the default on any mobile device I've checked in the past five years at least. Haven't examined bluetooth as closely.
- chneu 1y agoIt's been the norm on mobile devices for a while. It isn't as normal on desktop but I think most OSes do it nowadays, it might need to be enabled though.
- b8 1y agoSimply putting a fake plate would bypass that. Truckers usually have a pulley system on their plates to avoid tolls, so maybe more normal drivers will implement such a system or find a way to create something that messes up their camera OCR.
- SchemaLoad 1y agoThat would probably flag you immediately for a plate that doesn't match the car, a plate that does match but seen in two places that would be impossible to travel in that time.
- potato3732842 1y agoThat event would go in the same bucket as the other ten million alerts where the system got confused between visually near identical models or some de-badged sports car. The fact of the matter is that the powers that be can't overtly use the dragnet in the way that the "how dare someone skip a $2 toll" and "muh two ton death machine" crowds would like to see because the other 99.5% of the public will be all "hey WTF" and politicians will pass laws to pander to those people. The dragnet operating powers that be would rather retain the ability to use the dragnet unfettered even in bad ways so they normally reserve its use for "serious" things.
- euroderf 1y ago> Truckers usually have a pulley system on their plates to avoid tolls You mean like James Bond's rotating license plates ? Got a pointer to this stuff ?
- 77pt77 1y agoJust search for it. I found video review of $80 in seconds. There's also videos online of cars flipping it right before they cross a toll by plate. I would not do this. This is serious fraud and antisocial behavior.
- BobaFloutist 1y ago"Usually" is an astonishingly aggressive claim here.