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Xeneva Operating System

237 points by psnehanshu 1y ago

awaisking 1y ago
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namr2000 1y ago
This is a really impressive project, but I wish the Github page had more information about the design of the system, e.g 1. Is it intending to be a unix-like system? 2. is libc supported? I see that you have XECLib which looks like a custom libc impl? 3. What are the principles behind IPC? I see that there's "PostBox IPC" and that's how windows communicate with the window manager, but from a quick glance I'm not sure how the window manager communicates with the video driver. 4. What's the object format? I see there's docs for XELoader but it doesn't get into how it works or how the linker produces the object files that it loads. This clearly took a ton of effort and it's a cool project!
- ayush_xeneva 1y ago
  Hello, thank you for reaching out! Yes, the GitHub repository has limited information currently, but we are working on the documentations. - Xeneva is not intending to be Unix like, but some core principles of Unix are followed. - Xeneva has its own libc implementation called XECLib that are attached to Xeneva's own system call interface. - Xeneva supports IPC via shared memory, IPC via socket and IPC via its own message based communication called PostBox IPC. Xeneva currently use framebuffer for Graphics Output, no working video driver is implemented. The framebuffer is mapped onto Windows Managers address space and the Windows Manager composes the final image to framebuffer by writing to that mapped virtual address. - Xeneva uses PE format for executable,no doubt ELF support can be implemented. XELoader is a dynamic linker and loader process which is responsible for resolving running processes symbols by linking it to its specific shared library. Whenever a new process get spawned,and an executable is loaded, the XELoader loads all required shared libraries and link them to the process. You can refer to our website - getxeneva.com to get a hint of our future goals and vision. Thank you, Team XENEVA.
  - dash2 1y ago
    The website instantly provides information that is missing from both the documentation and the github page: what is xeneva for? Now I know that it's "designed to power the next generation of modern computing across multiple platforms—from traditional systems to cutting-edge AR/VR/XR devices. We're redefining what an operating system can achieve in an era where computing extends beyond screens into spatial environments." Up till then, I had guessed it might be a hobby project, an academic learning exercise, or a playground for new OS concepts.
    - 7thaccount 1y ago
      I still don't know what it is after reading that. What does it solve that other OS don't? Edit: other comments seem to suggest 1.) it abandons support for older hardware and focuses on modern hardware, 2.) it's supposed to allow 3D UI, 3.) it has minimal software abstractions for performance. I guess I can understand #1, but I'm not sure why existing OS wouldn't be able to handle #2. I'm not sure how #3 works in practice if there are a lot of different hardware architectures to support.
      - manas_kamal 1y ago
        Thank you for commenting. We believe there does exist a market gap in places that one quickly doesn't notice. We'll drop one instance here, look at the AR/VR market. It's quite possible that AR devices will be the future so of course good software would be needed there. Apple has it's VisionOS which is decent but that will forever be limited to Apple products only. There is no proper alternative to that as of yet, although Google and Android are working on soon releasing AndroidXR. But even that is essentially just based on top of the AndroidOS. We're trying to create a robust kernel and a dedicated platform for such devices. We also aim to work on RISC-V architecture as well so helps us cater to more utility. Please Email us at hi@getxeneva.com to communicate further. Thanks, Team XENEVA.
        randomtoast 1y ago
        The linux kernel essentially provides everything a modern operating system needs, including all the necessary device drivers. Unless you offer a significant selling point, something radically different, or a substantial improvement over, say, Linux or FreeBSD, I don't see a compelling use case for Xeneva OS. That said, don't get me wrong, I think it's a great project to experiment with and take my upvote.
- johnisgood 1y ago
  > Is it intending to be a unix-like system? It is not even using regular names for the tools such as "clear" to clear the screen, so I dunno.
einpoklum 1y ago
I don't know what to think about this, as so little is said about the project. @namr2000 asked some very pertinent questions, but I'll ask more general ones: 1. Who is developing this? Is it a one-person project? A group of developers? An organization? If so, is it academic? Commercial? 2. What is the purpose of developing this OS + userland software system? Is it a personal hobby? A demonstration of certain principles lacking in existing OSes (and userland software)? 3. Why try developing everything altogether? i.e. all of a kernel, low-level services/userland code, a graphical desktop environment, and applications? Each one of these seems like a rather daunting endeavor. 4. What standards and what APIs do the different components adhere to? Is any of them intended to be interchangeable with existing code running on existing OSes?
- j_w 1y ago
  I very briefly stalked their osdev forum posts. Looks like a hobby project with a focus on writing (their own?) audio/video playing (and maybe even editing?) software on top of it. Based on their docs, it looks like it's not POSIX compatible and they seem to have their own core libs for everything. Unlikely that it will ever go beyond a hobby project but its a very neat dive. Years of work. Solo osdev-ers are beasts, that's why they do it all.
  - einpoklum 1y ago
    They are indeed, but this kind of tragic... I mean, all that skill, that knowledge, the experience - working on something which, almost by definition, very few people will be able to use (because people require lots of things from their OS + apps, so that such a project is extremely unlikely to meet all of those requirements). And even as inspiration for other developers and designers - the solo OS-developer is unlikely to spend the time elucidating their design choices and architecture, in documentation, presentations, talks etc. And this is in contrast with the solo developer of a library or app, whose work is immediately usable by many even it's an undocumented black box... OSes are a team sport.
    - 1dom 1y ago
yyyk 1y ago
It's always impressive when someone builds an OS. To be noticed by a large community though, a new OS needs to be different from yet another C-based POSIX-style system. We already have a lot of those which are fine enough. It would be nice to see a new OS chucking away that legacy and doing some new things, supporting Linux via a WSL-style system at most.
- leoh 1y ago
  > To be noticed by a large community though, a new OS needs to be different from yet another C-based POSIX-style system. We already have a lot of those which are fine enough. Needs to be different > It would be nice to see a new OS chucking away that legacy and doing some new things, supporting Linux via a WSL-style system at most. Needs to be similar
  - layer8 1y ago
    You’re ignoring the “at most”.
  - exe34 1y ago
    The "at most" seems to suggest they want it to be a minor part of the design - i.e. provide it as a layer if you must, but do something interesting with the base thing. It's the exact opposite of your understanding.
  - yyyk 1y ago
    The others read this right: New OSs should be different than yet another C-based POSIX-style system. Linux compatibility is a secondary consideration and not so important. It used to be that Linux ecosystem compatibility was an excuse for not innovating. WSL2 proved that so long as the base design allows for virtualization, one could still support Linux decently enough. So there are no longer any excuses when one can even get lots of compatible-enough software with very little impinging on base design.
  - Brian_K_White 1y ago
    I think you misread that. The whole point of that last line was not the word "linux" but the words "at most". They are not saying it needs to be like linux. They are saying the most it should do towards linux compatibility is to maybe have some form of WSL.
jrapdx3 1y ago
While novel OSs are frequently introduced on HN, this project is rather different. That it's built under Windows strikes me as quite an unusual feature. To their credit the developers provide sufficiently detailed build instructions that aren't too hard to follow. However the build environment is very specific. VC has a lot of configuration options, so no doubt very close attention is required to make sure everything is set up correctly. Running the compiled system in a VM is sensible, kind of a shame though that Windows native Hyper-V isn't supported. Perhaps that will be possible in a later iteration of the OS. Would be nice if the authors gave a rundown of how this OS compares with others out there. Without having a clear idea of this OS's features and advantages, potential contributors might feel hesitant about investing time and energy in its development.
- rollcat 1y ago
  It would be nice if the authors provided a bootable ISO, or even just a video showcase. I use my Windows machine for games, I wouldn't care to set up a dev environment even if I knew how to.
  - ayush_xeneva 1y ago
    Your comment is acknowledged. Thank you, Team Xeneva.
- ayush_xeneva 1y ago
  Hello, MSVC seems quite interesting for us. No doubt, the code can be ported to other build environment. For instance, The ARM64 version uses both the advantages of clang and MSVC. The build setup is not so hard, and once setup is completed it can be build within a click. It's possible to run the system using Hyper-V. Required configuration are clearly mentioned in the documentation. Windows add extra security called Virtualization Based Security which needs to be disabled while running XenevaOS. Xeneva is well tested on VMware Workstation Pro and Virtual Box. We're working on real machine support, making the project to be beyond hobby os project. XenevaOS is built from ground up with modern computing in mind. We're currently working on bringing it to XR systems (AR/VR devices). Compared to other OS, Xeneva doesn't holds legacy legacy hardware code which make it easy to focus on modern technologies. The project aims to be multi architectured, minimal abstractions in software for better performance and to put user as first priority rather than user fixing software requirements. You can refer to our website, getxeneva.com to get a hint about our project's purpose, goals and vision! Thank you, Team XENEVA.
vkaku 1y ago
Excellent work in writing a non Unix/POSIXy OS. More people should experiment with non standard implementations and have fun doing it. I usually maintain a list of OS Devers who make their own OSes. Will add this one to it.
- GTP 1y ago
  Is that list publicly available? I would be curious to have a look.
  - vkaku 1y ago
    Just saw this. I keep lists of links on my website. This is even before Github was a thing.... :)
snvzz 1y ago
Project calls itself Open Source, but I can't seem find the license. Does it have one?
- jmmv 1y ago
  Many of the files I checked have a 2-BSD clause stamped at the top, but I don’t know what the resulting combination of the project plus its dependencies becomes.
  - suobset 1y ago
    It is 2-BSD, will be added to the repo in a future update. Source: asked them.
- suobset 1y ago
  That's what I was wondering too, I have sent them an email.
  - suobset 1y ago
    Update: It's BSD 2-Clause. This will be added to the repo soon. Also the people behind it are super helpful and passionate behind the project!!
    - snvzz 1y ago
      further update: The license is there now[0]. 0. https://github.com/manaskamal/XenevaOS/blob/master/LICENSE https://github.com/manaskamal/XenevaOS/blob/master/LICENSE
webprofusion 1y ago
Impressive, but.. start with how it should look, don't make that an afterthought. Hobby operating systems have one thing in common, they all have a great logo but look like a late 90s linux desktop. Windows decoration and fonts look like they were hacked together last night. Instead start with a visual design and work backwards. You'll get instant appreciation from your audience. Unless the aim is to basically get SSH working and compile a bunch of gnu tools for a basic shell, in which case knock yourself out but don't be surprised when everyone ignores your work. This come across as snark but it's frustration at the wasted effort and that good work will go unnoticed.
- 9dev 1y ago
  Right. A novel operating system would be a great opportunity to start without all the baggage of 70+ years of OS design, and create something for the modern world. But most projects seem to be stuck with the same metaphors we have had for ages. There’s really an opportunity for innovation here.
  - anthk 1y ago
    The closest would be the modern Oberon environments, but I found them weird and unusable. If Win95/FVWM with virtual desktops work perfectly well, why the change? FVWM had great working setups on their screenshoot page. This predates smartphones I'd guess: https://www.fvwm.org/Archive/Screenshots/2011-04-15_Christine-international-1400x1050/screenshot.png https://www.fvwm.org/Archive/Screenshots/2011-04-15_Christin...
    - 9dev 1y ago
      Well, for one thing, all desktop environments from the 90ies started from a metaphor for the things on a physical desk, sheets of paper shuffled around, and so on; that was perfectly sensible for a target group of previously computer-illiterates that needed concepts to grasp onto. We’re in a different world now, but user interfaces are still stuck in the past, the same way railways are designed to accommodate for Roman carriages. By starting to design without those guardrails in mind, we could arrive at something that isn’t the local maximum of 30 years ago. At least that is my hope; who knows until we try!
unixhero 1y ago
Welp, that looks insanely cool
- ayush_xeneva 1y ago
  Thank you so much for your comment ! If you're interested, you can have a look at our website, getxeneva.com to learn more! Team XENEVA.
cess11 1y ago
Here's a video with descriptions and possibly outdated instructions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXcOcbKNWXA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXcOcbKNWXA
andsoitis 1y ago
From getxeneva.com: ”Unlike traditional operating systems, XenevaOS enables holographic interfaces and real-time 3D environments that fundamentally change how we interact with digital content. Our vision is to move beyond the limitations of 2D screens into a world where computing adapts to humans, not the other way around.”
ThinkBeat 1y ago
Thank you for making this and working on it. I am always impressed when people have the skill and discipline to code new operating systems. Also thank you for not being yet another UNIX like OS There is nothing wrong with creating a UNIX like operating systems it still takes skill and discipline but trying other paths is of great value.
rbanffy 1y ago
I'm always curious when new OSs seem to worry about both core functions and presentation layer concerns. Doesn't that spread development work too much?
teamXeneva 1y ago
Hello everyone, We’re unable to reply to everyone’s comment individually due to the HN’s limit of only a few comments at a time. We’ll try to summarise it all here itself - So we at Team Xeneva are two guys trying our best to create an OS for modern computing and hardware. Team includes Manas Kamal Choudhury from Assam, who has been developing XenevaOS since 2020 and he is responsible for most of the technical development. The project was later joined by Ayushmaan Bora who oversees the strategies & execution part of the project and is entitled to look at the professional aspects of the project. Xeneva started out as a solo hobby project by Manas but now together, the both of us are taking this project professionally. The purpose of XenevaOS is to build an OS from scratch targeting modern hardware and modern computing. XenevaOS is not limited to just personal computing or mobile computing, we aim for extending the potential of an Operating System to multiple use cases, like Automobile, Robotics, and medical science and primarily AR/VR/XR while putting users as first priority rather user fixing software dependencies. XenevaOS focuses on modern technology rather than carrying legacy codes and aims to have minimal software abstraction We will try to reply to everyone’s comment individually after the timeout disappears, but till then we’re open for communication. Our Email address - hi@getxeneva.com For those interested to learn about the purpose, vision and goals of our project, please visit our website - getxeneva.com Thank You Team XENEVA.
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manas_kamal 1y ago
Hello everyone, We’re unable to reply to everyone’s comment individually due to the HN’s limit of only a few comments at a time. We’ll try to summarise it all here itself - So we at Team Xeneva are two guys trying our best to create an OS for modern computing and hardware. Team includes Manas Kamal Choudhury from Assam, who has been developing XenevaOS since 2020 and he is responsible for most of the technical development. The project was later joined by Ayushmaan Bora who oversees the strategies & execution part of the project and is entitled to look at the professional aspects of the project. Xeneva started out as a solo hobby project by Manas but now together, the both of us are taking this project professionally. The purpose of XenevaOS is to build an OS from scratch targeting modern hardware and modern computing. XenevaOS is not limited to just personal computing or mobile computing, we aim for extending the potential of an Operating System to multiple use cases, like Automobile, Robotics, and medical science and primarily AR/VR/XR while putting users as first priority rather user fixing software dependencies. XenevaOS focuses on modern technology rather than carrying legacy codes and aims to have minimal software abstraction We will try to reply to everyone’s comment individually after the timeout disappears, but till then we’re open for communication. Our Email address - hi@getxeneva.com For those interested to learn about the purpose, vision and goals of our project, please visit our website - getxeneva.com Thank You Team XENEVA.
- psnehanshu 1y ago
  Hey brother, I found your project on Reddit, and thought it was cool, hence posted on HN. I am also from Assam btw.
  - manas_kamal 1y ago
    Hello brother, thank you so much for this post. Please contact us at hi@getxeneva.com !
lproven 1y ago
More weird harmful moderation! This is a great global/general response: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44246578 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44246578 Why is it marked dead? @dang, are you able to fix that?
- tomhow 1y ago
  You could just vouch these comments and they'd be visible right away. Much faster than typing these accusatory messages :) Both of them were auto-killed due to very normal system mechanisms that have been in place for years. But the whole reason we have the vouch system is so that when people see a killed comment that should be visible, they can click the link and it should appear immediately. Failing that you could email us. This is much more reliable than an @mention, which isn't an official or reliable way to contact us (the only reason I saw your comment was that somebody else emailed us about it).
  - lproven 1y ago
    > You could just vouch these comments I spent some time Googling this. Apparently some people can see a "vouch" button somewhere. I can't. > Failing that you could email us. Tried that to ask why my submissions were being tagged dead. Twice. No reply.
patrick4urcloud 1y ago
nice job. is there an iso to try on vm ?
not-so-darkstar 1y ago
I've tried many times writing an OS on my own but I always failed at some stage because the material online becomes scarce and it's very hard to proceed. I saw in your Youtube channel that you're very young, may I ask you about your journey to achieve something like this?
- manas_kamal 1y ago
  Yes we’re a team of two young college students. Please contact us on our mail address- hi@getxeneva.com
  - not-so-darkstar 1y ago
    I could contact you but I think sharing your advice would be beneficial to everyone.
pabs3 1y ago
There is allegedly some plagiarism in this repo: https://lobste.rs/s/0zeyl0/xenevaos_modern_computing_reimagined https://lobste.rs/s/0zeyl0/xenevaos_modern_computing_reimagi...

237 points by psnehanshu 1y ago

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namr2000 1y ago

This is a really impressive project, but I wish the Github page had more information about the design of the system, e.g 1. Is it intending to be a unix-like system? 2. is libc supported? I see that you have XECLib which looks like a custom libc impl? 3. What are the principles behind IPC? I see that there's "PostBox IPC" and that's how windows communicate with the window manager, but from a quick glance I'm not sure how the window manager communicates with the video driver. 4. What's the object format? I see there's docs for XELoader but it doesn't get into how it works or how the linker produces the object files that it loads. This clearly took a ton of effort and it's a cool project!

ayush_xeneva 1y ago
Hello, thank you for reaching out! Yes, the GitHub repository has limited information currently, but we are working on the documentations. - Xeneva is not intending to be Unix like, but some core principles of Unix are followed. - Xeneva has its own libc implementation called XECLib that are attached to Xeneva's own system call interface. - Xeneva supports IPC via shared memory, IPC via socket and IPC via its own message based communication called PostBox IPC. Xeneva currently use framebuffer for Graphics Output, no working video driver is implemented. The framebuffer is mapped onto Windows Managers address space and the Windows Manager composes the final image to framebuffer by writing to that mapped virtual address. - Xeneva uses PE format for executable,no doubt ELF support can be implemented. XELoader is a dynamic linker and loader process which is responsible for resolving running processes symbols by linking it to its specific shared library. Whenever a new process get spawned,and an executable is loaded, the XELoader loads all required shared libraries and link them to the process. You can refer to our website - getxeneva.com to get a hint of our future goals and vision. Thank you, Team XENEVA.
- dash2 1y ago
  The website instantly provides information that is missing from both the documentation and the github page: what is xeneva for? Now I know that it's "designed to power the next generation of modern computing across multiple platforms—from traditional systems to cutting-edge AR/VR/XR devices. We're redefining what an operating system can achieve in an era where computing extends beyond screens into spatial environments." Up till then, I had guessed it might be a hobby project, an academic learning exercise, or a playground for new OS concepts.
  - 7thaccount 1y ago
    I still don't know what it is after reading that. What does it solve that other OS don't? Edit: other comments seem to suggest 1.) it abandons support for older hardware and focuses on modern hardware, 2.) it's supposed to allow 3D UI, 3.) it has minimal software abstractions for performance. I guess I can understand #1, but I'm not sure why existing OS wouldn't be able to handle #2. I'm not sure how #3 works in practice if there are a lot of different hardware architectures to support.
    - manas_kamal 1y ago
      Thank you for commenting. We believe there does exist a market gap in places that one quickly doesn't notice. We'll drop one instance here, look at the AR/VR market. It's quite possible that AR devices will be the future so of course good software would be needed there. Apple has it's VisionOS which is decent but that will forever be limited to Apple products only. There is no proper alternative to that as of yet, although Google and Android are working on soon releasing AndroidXR. But even that is essentially just based on top of the AndroidOS. We're trying to create a robust kernel and a dedicated platform for such devices. We also aim to work on RISC-V architecture as well so helps us cater to more utility. Please Email us at hi@getxeneva.com to communicate further. Thanks, Team XENEVA.
      - randomtoast 1y ago
        The linux kernel essentially provides everything a modern operating system needs, including all the necessary device drivers. Unless you offer a significant selling point, something radically different, or a substantial improvement over, say, Linux or FreeBSD, I don't see a compelling use case for Xeneva OS. That said, don't get me wrong, I think it's a great project to experiment with and take my upvote.
johnisgood 1y ago
> Is it intending to be a unix-like system? It is not even using regular names for the tools such as "clear" to clear the screen, so I dunno.

einpoklum 1y ago

I don't know what to think about this, as so little is said about the project. @namr2000 asked some very pertinent questions, but I'll ask more general ones: 1. Who is developing this? Is it a one-person project? A group of developers? An organization? If so, is it academic? Commercial? 2. What is the purpose of developing this OS + userland software system? Is it a personal hobby? A demonstration of certain principles lacking in existing OSes (and userland software)? 3. Why try developing everything altogether? i.e. all of a kernel, low-level services/userland code, a graphical desktop environment, and applications? Each one of these seems like a rather daunting endeavor. 4. What standards and what APIs do the different components adhere to? Is any of them intended to be interchangeable with existing code running on existing OSes?

j_w 1y ago
I very briefly stalked their osdev forum posts. Looks like a hobby project with a focus on writing (their own?) audio/video playing (and maybe even editing?) software on top of it. Based on their docs, it looks like it's not POSIX compatible and they seem to have their own core libs for everything. Unlikely that it will ever go beyond a hobby project but its a very neat dive. Years of work. Solo osdev-ers are beasts, that's why they do it all.
- einpoklum 1y ago
  They are indeed, but this kind of tragic... I mean, all that skill, that knowledge, the experience - working on something which, almost by definition, very few people will be able to use (because people require lots of things from their OS + apps, so that such a project is extremely unlikely to meet all of those requirements). And even as inspiration for other developers and designers - the solo OS-developer is unlikely to spend the time elucidating their design choices and architecture, in documentation, presentations, talks etc. And this is in contrast with the solo developer of a library or app, whose work is immediately usable by many even it's an undocumented black box... OSes are a team sport.
  - 1dom 1y ago

yyyk 1y ago

It's always impressive when someone builds an OS. To be noticed by a large community though, a new OS needs to be different from yet another C-based POSIX-style system. We already have a lot of those which are fine enough. It would be nice to see a new OS chucking away that legacy and doing some new things, supporting Linux via a WSL-style system at most.

leoh 1y ago
> To be noticed by a large community though, a new OS needs to be different from yet another C-based POSIX-style system. We already have a lot of those which are fine enough. Needs to be different > It would be nice to see a new OS chucking away that legacy and doing some new things, supporting Linux via a WSL-style system at most. Needs to be similar
- layer8 1y ago
  You’re ignoring the “at most”.
- exe34 1y ago
  The "at most" seems to suggest they want it to be a minor part of the design - i.e. provide it as a layer if you must, but do something interesting with the base thing. It's the exact opposite of your understanding.
- yyyk 1y ago
  The others read this right: New OSs should be different than yet another C-based POSIX-style system. Linux compatibility is a secondary consideration and not so important. It used to be that Linux ecosystem compatibility was an excuse for not innovating. WSL2 proved that so long as the base design allows for virtualization, one could still support Linux decently enough. So there are no longer any excuses when one can even get lots of compatible-enough software with very little impinging on base design.
- Brian_K_White 1y ago
  I think you misread that. The whole point of that last line was not the word "linux" but the words "at most". They are not saying it needs to be like linux. They are saying the most it should do towards linux compatibility is to maybe have some form of WSL.

jrapdx3 1y ago

While novel OSs are frequently introduced on HN, this project is rather different. That it's built under Windows strikes me as quite an unusual feature. To their credit the developers provide sufficiently detailed build instructions that aren't too hard to follow. However the build environment is very specific. VC has a lot of configuration options, so no doubt very close attention is required to make sure everything is set up correctly. Running the compiled system in a VM is sensible, kind of a shame though that Windows native Hyper-V isn't supported. Perhaps that will be possible in a later iteration of the OS. Would be nice if the authors gave a rundown of how this OS compares with others out there. Without having a clear idea of this OS's features and advantages, potential contributors might feel hesitant about investing time and energy in its development.

rollcat 1y ago
It would be nice if the authors provided a bootable ISO, or even just a video showcase. I use my Windows machine for games, I wouldn't care to set up a dev environment even if I knew how to.
- ayush_xeneva 1y ago
  Your comment is acknowledged. Thank you, Team Xeneva.
ayush_xeneva 1y ago
Hello, MSVC seems quite interesting for us. No doubt, the code can be ported to other build environment. For instance, The ARM64 version uses both the advantages of clang and MSVC. The build setup is not so hard, and once setup is completed it can be build within a click. It's possible to run the system using Hyper-V. Required configuration are clearly mentioned in the documentation. Windows add extra security called Virtualization Based Security which needs to be disabled while running XenevaOS. Xeneva is well tested on VMware Workstation Pro and Virtual Box. We're working on real machine support, making the project to be beyond hobby os project. XenevaOS is built from ground up with modern computing in mind. We're currently working on bringing it to XR systems (AR/VR devices). Compared to other OS, Xeneva doesn't holds legacy legacy hardware code which make it easy to focus on modern technologies. The project aims to be multi architectured, minimal abstractions in software for better performance and to put user as first priority rather than user fixing software requirements. You can refer to our website, getxeneva.com to get a hint about our project's purpose, goals and vision! Thank you, Team XENEVA.

vkaku 1y ago

Excellent work in writing a non Unix/POSIXy OS. More people should experiment with non standard implementations and have fun doing it. I usually maintain a list of OS Devers who make their own OSes. Will add this one to it.

GTP 1y ago
Is that list publicly available? I would be curious to have a look.
- vkaku 1y ago
  Just saw this. I keep lists of links on my website. This is even before Github was a thing.... :)

snvzz 1y ago

Project calls itself Open Source, but I can't seem find the license. Does it have one?

jmmv 1y ago
Many of the files I checked have a 2-BSD clause stamped at the top, but I don’t know what the resulting combination of the project plus its dependencies becomes.
- suobset 1y ago
  It is 2-BSD, will be added to the repo in a future update. Source: asked them.
suobset 1y ago
That's what I was wondering too, I have sent them an email.
- suobset 1y ago
  Update: It's BSD 2-Clause. This will be added to the repo soon. Also the people behind it are super helpful and passionate behind the project!!
  - snvzz 1y ago
    further update: The license is there now[0]. 0. https://github.com/manaskamal/XenevaOS/blob/master/LICENSE https://github.com/manaskamal/XenevaOS/blob/master/LICENSE

webprofusion 1y ago

Impressive, but.. start with how it should look, don't make that an afterthought. Hobby operating systems have one thing in common, they all have a great logo but look like a late 90s linux desktop. Windows decoration and fonts look like they were hacked together last night. Instead start with a visual design and work backwards. You'll get instant appreciation from your audience. Unless the aim is to basically get SSH working and compile a bunch of gnu tools for a basic shell, in which case knock yourself out but don't be surprised when everyone ignores your work. This come across as snark but it's frustration at the wasted effort and that good work will go unnoticed.

9dev 1y ago
Right. A novel operating system would be a great opportunity to start without all the baggage of 70+ years of OS design, and create something for the modern world. But most projects seem to be stuck with the same metaphors we have had for ages. There’s really an opportunity for innovation here.
- anthk 1y ago
  The closest would be the modern Oberon environments, but I found them weird and unusable. If Win95/FVWM with virtual desktops work perfectly well, why the change? FVWM had great working setups on their screenshoot page. This predates smartphones I'd guess: https://www.fvwm.org/Archive/Screenshots/2011-04-15_Christine-international-1400x1050/screenshot.png https://www.fvwm.org/Archive/Screenshots/2011-04-15_Christin...
  - 9dev 1y ago
    Well, for one thing, all desktop environments from the 90ies started from a metaphor for the things on a physical desk, sheets of paper shuffled around, and so on; that was perfectly sensible for a target group of previously computer-illiterates that needed concepts to grasp onto. We’re in a different world now, but user interfaces are still stuck in the past, the same way railways are designed to accommodate for Roman carriages. By starting to design without those guardrails in mind, we could arrive at something that isn’t the local maximum of 30 years ago. At least that is my hope; who knows until we try!

unixhero 1y ago

Welp, that looks insanely cool

ayush_xeneva 1y ago
Thank you so much for your comment ! If you're interested, you can have a look at our website, getxeneva.com to learn more! Team XENEVA.

cess11 1y ago

Here's a video with descriptions and possibly outdated instructions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXcOcbKNWXA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXcOcbKNWXA

andsoitis 1y ago

From getxeneva.com: ”Unlike traditional operating systems, XenevaOS enables holographic interfaces and real-time 3D environments that fundamentally change how we interact with digital content. Our vision is to move beyond the limitations of 2D screens into a world where computing adapts to humans, not the other way around.”

ThinkBeat 1y ago

Thank you for making this and working on it. I am always impressed when people have the skill and discipline to code new operating systems. Also thank you for not being yet another UNIX like OS There is nothing wrong with creating a UNIX like operating systems it still takes skill and discipline but trying other paths is of great value.

rbanffy 1y ago

I'm always curious when new OSs seem to worry about both core functions and presentation layer concerns. Doesn't that spread development work too much?

teamXeneva 1y ago

Hello everyone, We’re unable to reply to everyone’s comment individually due to the HN’s limit of only a few comments at a time. We’ll try to summarise it all here itself - So we at Team Xeneva are two guys trying our best to create an OS for modern computing and hardware. Team includes Manas Kamal Choudhury from Assam, who has been developing XenevaOS since 2020 and he is responsible for most of the technical development. The project was later joined by Ayushmaan Bora who oversees the strategies & execution part of the project and is entitled to look at the professional aspects of the project. Xeneva started out as a solo hobby project by Manas but now together, the both of us are taking this project professionally. The purpose of XenevaOS is to build an OS from scratch targeting modern hardware and modern computing. XenevaOS is not limited to just personal computing or mobile computing, we aim for extending the potential of an Operating System to multiple use cases, like Automobile, Robotics, and medical science and primarily AR/VR/XR while putting users as first priority rather user fixing software dependencies. XenevaOS focuses on modern technology rather than carrying legacy codes and aims to have minimal software abstraction We will try to reply to everyone’s comment individually after the timeout disappears, but till then we’re open for communication. Our Email address - hi@getxeneva.com For those interested to learn about the purpose, vision and goals of our project, please visit our website - getxeneva.com Thank You Team XENEVA.

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manas_kamal 1y ago

psnehanshu 1y ago
Hey brother, I found your project on Reddit, and thought it was cool, hence posted on HN. I am also from Assam btw.
- manas_kamal 1y ago
  Hello brother, thank you so much for this post. Please contact us at hi@getxeneva.com !

lproven 1y ago

More weird harmful moderation! This is a great global/general response: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44246578 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44246578 Why is it marked dead? @dang, are you able to fix that?

tomhow 1y ago
You could just vouch these comments and they'd be visible right away. Much faster than typing these accusatory messages :) Both of them were auto-killed due to very normal system mechanisms that have been in place for years. But the whole reason we have the vouch system is so that when people see a killed comment that should be visible, they can click the link and it should appear immediately. Failing that you could email us. This is much more reliable than an @mention, which isn't an official or reliable way to contact us (the only reason I saw your comment was that somebody else emailed us about it).
- lproven 1y ago
  > You could just vouch these comments I spent some time Googling this. Apparently some people can see a "vouch" button somewhere. I can't. > Failing that you could email us. Tried that to ask why my submissions were being tagged dead. Twice. No reply.

patrick4urcloud 1y ago

nice job. is there an iso to try on vm ?

not-so-darkstar 1y ago

I've tried many times writing an OS on my own but I always failed at some stage because the material online becomes scarce and it's very hard to proceed. I saw in your Youtube channel that you're very young, may I ask you about your journey to achieve something like this?

manas_kamal 1y ago
Yes we’re a team of two young college students. Please contact us on our mail address- hi@getxeneva.com
- not-so-darkstar 1y ago
  I could contact you but I think sharing your advice would be beneficial to everyone.

pabs3 1y ago

There is allegedly some plagiarism in this repo: https://lobste.rs/s/0zeyl0/xenevaos_modern_computing_reimagined https://lobste.rs/s/0zeyl0/xenevaos_modern_computing_reimagi...