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Ada Continues to Climb in June Tiobe Index and PYPL

68 points by DragonSpiritWTP 1y ago

carlmr 1y ago
This is nice, I like Ada, but why is this happening now, is there any explanation for the blip?
- akho 1y ago
  TIOBE can be, ahem, unreliable. On the other hand — defence budgets are increasing all over the world.
  - eb0la 1y ago
    I've seen some ADA positions in the automotive industry as well. edit: This comment better hightlights the reason -> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44233851 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44233851
- josefx 1y ago
  Maybe Tiobe counts hits for NVIDIAs Ada Generation graphics cards?
  - Imustaskforhelp 1y ago
    I wouldn't be surprised if it did.
    - alpaca128 1y ago
      Their website states they search "<language> programming", so anything programming related would be counted - including content about Ada Lovelace. And the American Dental Association, which also comes up on Google when I use this query. TIOBE also includes SQL because technically SQL is Turing complete and that's the criterion for inclusion on the index, ignoring that this isn't the real reason people are using SQL. The more I think about this index the more my head hurts.
- askvictor 1y ago
  Nvidia
darrenfollet 1y ago
alire I would suspect is mostly responsible
- Ygg2 1y ago
  Honestly, it's probably driven by nVidia. That said with both Google and Stackoverflow becoming irrelevant, who cares about Tiobe.
  - auvi 1y ago
    I am a bit curious, why would nVidia need Ada developers? In-car systems?
    - adezxc 1y ago
      There's this talk by AdaCore and a SWE@nVidia on how nVidia utilized Ada/Spark for Embedded software: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YoPoNx3L5E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YoPoNx3L5E
    - DragonSpiritWTP 1y ago
      They use the SPARK subset of Ada to develop the most critical parts of their DriveOS. This contributed to their success of getting DriveOS certified at the highest automotive safety standard, ASIL-D. https://www.eenewseurope.com/en/nvidia-drives-ada-and-spark-into-driverless-cars/ https://www.eenewseurope.com/en/nvidia-drives-ada-and-spark-...
      - DoingIsLearning 1y ago
        > This contributed to their success of getting DriveOS certified at the highest automotive safety standard, ASIL-D. ASIL is just a risk classification scheme from A to D, with D being the highest risk of initial hazard. TUD SUD certified that Drive OS is ISO-26262 complaint and that it can be used for a safety-critical application up to the highest risk context of ASIL-D (Think activating brakes on a AEB system, or deploying airbags).
    - 1y ago
nindalf 1y ago
Please stop citing Tiobe. https://nindalf.com/posts/stop-citing-tiobe/ https://nindalf.com/posts/stop-citing-tiobe/
- micronian2 1y ago
  While one can choose to dismiss the TIOBE index (I don’t have any strong opinion about it), there was also a screen shot of PYPL showing a steady increase in Ada over recent months. Something positive is happening!
- tialaramex 1y ago
  It's really great for identifying whether people are interested in the facts or were just reaching for justification of their pre-existing conclusion.
  - Ygg2 1y ago
    Very roughly, TIOBE gives you search popularity of a given language. So Ada is climbing some popularity chart. The question is what?
    - nindalf 1y ago
      > TIOBE gives you search popularity of a given language No it does not. It gives you the number of results returned by a search engine, which has nothing to do with how many people are searching for that term.
      - Ygg2 1y ago
        It definitely gives some sort of correlation to it. Otherwise, you wouldn't get Python at #1 for several years, in line with other metrics.
- KronisLV 1y ago
  If you wanted accurate statistics for each language, you'd probably have to go closer to the source: - How many downloads for the compiler/runtime/toolchains have? - How many downloads do the packages on the package manager (if any) have? - How many downloads do base containers have? How popular are the SaSS/PaSS offerings geared towards the languages? But of course, doing that for a bunch of stacks would be quite difficult and time consuming, so people feel confident in just looking at Google Trends or an equivalent (or aggregating similar surface level data from a bunch of providers) and just calling it a day.
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transpute 1y ago
"Ada and SPARK enter the automotive ISO-26262 market with Nvidia", 100 comments, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44184861 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44184861
0xTJ 1y ago
I've only ever seen Ada used in a military-related product, and there was one person on the team responsible for maintaining it. They didn't like doing it, but it was a legacy product, and they were the only one who had learned enough Ada to do it.
wewewedxfgdf 1y ago
Lies, damned lies, and statistics.
- IshKebab 1y ago
  Lies, damned lies, and Tiobe.
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carlmr 1y ago

This is nice, I like Ada, but why is this happening now, is there any explanation for the blip?

akho 1y ago
TIOBE can be, ahem, unreliable. On the other hand — defence budgets are increasing all over the world.
- eb0la 1y ago
  I've seen some ADA positions in the automotive industry as well. edit: This comment better hightlights the reason -> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44233851 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44233851
josefx 1y ago
Maybe Tiobe counts hits for NVIDIAs Ada Generation graphics cards?
- Imustaskforhelp 1y ago
  I wouldn't be surprised if it did.
  - alpaca128 1y ago
    Their website states they search "<language> programming", so anything programming related would be counted - including content about Ada Lovelace. And the American Dental Association, which also comes up on Google when I use this query. TIOBE also includes SQL because technically SQL is Turing complete and that's the criterion for inclusion on the index, ignoring that this isn't the real reason people are using SQL. The more I think about this index the more my head hurts.
askvictor 1y ago
Nvidia

darrenfollet 1y ago

alire I would suspect is mostly responsible

Ygg2 1y ago
Honestly, it's probably driven by nVidia. That said with both Google and Stackoverflow becoming irrelevant, who cares about Tiobe.
- auvi 1y ago
  I am a bit curious, why would nVidia need Ada developers? In-car systems?
  - adezxc 1y ago
    There's this talk by AdaCore and a SWE@nVidia on how nVidia utilized Ada/Spark for Embedded software: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YoPoNx3L5E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YoPoNx3L5E
  - DragonSpiritWTP 1y ago
    They use the SPARK subset of Ada to develop the most critical parts of their DriveOS. This contributed to their success of getting DriveOS certified at the highest automotive safety standard, ASIL-D. https://www.eenewseurope.com/en/nvidia-drives-ada-and-spark-into-driverless-cars/ https://www.eenewseurope.com/en/nvidia-drives-ada-and-spark-...
    - DoingIsLearning 1y ago
      > This contributed to their success of getting DriveOS certified at the highest automotive safety standard, ASIL-D. ASIL is just a risk classification scheme from A to D, with D being the highest risk of initial hazard. TUD SUD certified that Drive OS is ISO-26262 complaint and that it can be used for a safety-critical application up to the highest risk context of ASIL-D (Think activating brakes on a AEB system, or deploying airbags).
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nindalf 1y ago

Please stop citing Tiobe. https://nindalf.com/posts/stop-citing-tiobe/ https://nindalf.com/posts/stop-citing-tiobe/

micronian2 1y ago
While one can choose to dismiss the TIOBE index (I don’t have any strong opinion about it), there was also a screen shot of PYPL showing a steady increase in Ada over recent months. Something positive is happening!
tialaramex 1y ago
It's really great for identifying whether people are interested in the facts or were just reaching for justification of their pre-existing conclusion.
- Ygg2 1y ago
  Very roughly, TIOBE gives you search popularity of a given language. So Ada is climbing some popularity chart. The question is what?
  - nindalf 1y ago
    > TIOBE gives you search popularity of a given language No it does not. It gives you the number of results returned by a search engine, which has nothing to do with how many people are searching for that term.
    - Ygg2 1y ago
      It definitely gives some sort of correlation to it. Otherwise, you wouldn't get Python at #1 for several years, in line with other metrics.
KronisLV 1y ago
If you wanted accurate statistics for each language, you'd probably have to go closer to the source: - How many downloads for the compiler/runtime/toolchains have? - How many downloads do the packages on the package manager (if any) have? - How many downloads do base containers have? How popular are the SaSS/PaSS offerings geared towards the languages? But of course, doing that for a bunch of stacks would be quite difficult and time consuming, so people feel confident in just looking at Google Trends or an equivalent (or aggregating similar surface level data from a bunch of providers) and just calling it a day.

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transpute 1y ago

"Ada and SPARK enter the automotive ISO-26262 market with Nvidia", 100 comments, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44184861 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44184861

0xTJ 1y ago

I've only ever seen Ada used in a military-related product, and there was one person on the team responsible for maintaining it. They didn't like doing it, but it was a legacy product, and they were the only one who had learned enough Ada to do it.

wewewedxfgdf 1y ago

Lies, damned lies, and statistics.

IshKebab 1y ago
Lies, damned lies, and Tiobe.

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